BRIEFING 12-06-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 12.6.96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa paei kai sth Gaydo;

REPPAS: Qa paei kai sth Gaydo.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Syggnwmh, kyrie Ypoyrge, alla den akoysame thn erwthsh.

REPPAS: Rwthse o k. Kwnstantinidhs, an to programma ths episkechs toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Krhth perilambanei kai th Gaydo. Prepei na sas pw oti to programma ayto eixe katartisqei meres prin prokycei to gnwsto qema twn teleytaiwn hmerwn kai ej arxhs eixe symperilhfqei h nhsos Gaydos, ws topos episkechs.

PARIS: Ayrio jekinaei h periodeia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Krhth;

REPPAS: Nai, ayrio to apogeyma anaxwrei aeroporikws apo thn Aqhna gia to Hrakleio, epikefalhs kybernhtikoy klimakioy. H episkech toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy qa diarkesei mexri kai thn Kyriakh to apogeyma (16.6.96). To analytiko programma ths episkechs toy k. Prwqypoyr- goy - pisteyw - sas exei dianemhqei.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Nai, to exoyme ypoch mas.

GARGALAKOS: Otan o Prwqypoyrgos anaferei oti ektos apo tis "kaqares lyseis" kai tis "makroproqesmes lyseis", ti ennoei me ayto;

REPPAS: Kyrie Gargalako, syzhthsame ektetamena epi toy qematos, xqes to meshmeri.

GARGALAKOS: Nai, alla epeidh apoysiaza egw, qa hqela parakalw mia ejhghsh.

REPPAS: Yparxoyn oi apanthseis shmera sthn eidhseografia.

GARGALAKOS: Epibebaiwsh, telos pantwn.

REPPAS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos anefere pws oi opoies lyseis prokycoyn, prepei na ejasfalizoyn staqerothta kai prooptikh gia thn Kybernhsh toy PASOK, oi opoies den qa aforoyn enan orizonta mhnwn, alla asfalws qa exoyn poly megalyterh diarkeia, prokeimenoy etsi na antimetwpisqoyn apotelesmatika ta problhmata ths xwras. Ayto shmainei oti prepei na ejasfalisqoyn oles oi proypoqeseis, wste to PASOK na paei megalo kai enwmeno stis ekloges, na exei mia eklogikh nikh to 1997 kai na synexizei na kyberna ton topo.

GARGALAKOS; Ennoeite dhladh...

REPPAS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos exei tonisei oti to PASOK xreiazetai na exei staqerh poreia kai bebaiws oi dynameis toy na einai sygkrothmenes, na mhn yparxoyn agones antiparaqeseis polwtikoy xarakthra, wste na odhghqoyme me elpides nikhs stis ekloges. Kai ayto to PASOK qa to petyxei.

MOYRTZHS: O k. Gargalakos sas rwthse ean h anafora ayth toy k. Shmith exei to xarakthra ekloghs diadoxoy toy Andrea Papandreoy.

GARGALAKOS: Akribws. Neoy hgeth, en pash periptwsei.

REPPAS: Kyrie Moyrtzh, exoyme syzhthsei ayta ta qemata. Einai zhthmata ta opoia apasxoloyn ta stelexh kai tis organwseis toy PASOK, en ocei toy eperxomenoy Synedrioy. Anaptyssetai aytos o problhmatismos. To Synedrio, ws kyriarxo swma, qa apofasisei gia ola ayta ta qemata. O Prwqypoyrgos epeshmane thn anagkh na yparxei, se makroproqesmh pia bash, mia staqerh poreia toy PASOK, wste etsi h Kybernhsh toy PASOK kai meta tis ekloges toy 1997 na antimetwpisei apotelesmatika ta problhmata ths xwras. Den xreiazontai eswterikes antiparaqeseis kai antiperispasmoi. H prospaqeia poy kanei o Prwqypoyrgos epikefalhs ths Kybernhshs, einai prospaqeia gia na antimetwpisqoyn kyriws ta problhmata toy topoy. Ta qemata toy Synedrioy, qa ta lysei to idio to Synedrio, ws kyriarxo organo, me tis apofaseis poy qa labei.

SOYRMELIDHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an h Gaydos apo thn pleyra ths Ellados exei symperilhfqei se natoikh askhsh gia prwth fora.

REPPAS: H Krhth kai h eyryterh perioxh, symperilambanomenhs ths Gaydoy, kyrie Soyrmelidh, exei kai sto parelqon protaqei apo thn Kybernhsh. Kai apo ta natoika epiteleia exei symperilhfqei se askhseis, oi opoies exoyn ginei.

PARIS: Na pame se allo qema, kyrie Ypoyrge: Exei qesei h Kybernhsh kapoia proqesmia ston eayto ths, oson afora tis chfiakes paroxes toy OTE; Kai to rwtw ayto, dioti se epikoinwnia me melh toy Dioikhtikoy Symboylioy toy OTE, akoyw oti perimenoyn to prasino fws apo thn Kybernhsh na synedriasoyn h en pash periptwsei perimenoyn to prasino fws apo thn Kybernhsh, en ocei kai ths dikastikhs ereynas. Yparxei kapoia proqesmia;

REPPAS: Kyrie Paris, den yparxei sygkekrimeno xroniko orio. Alla, bebaiws, h Kybernhsh qewrei oti to syntomotero dynaton prepei na taktopoihqei ayth h ekkremothta. Giati to programma toy eksygxronismoy kai ths anaptyjhs toy OTE einai ena shmantiko problhma, to opoio afora to synolo - qa moy epitrecete na pw - amesws h emmesws ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. H Kybernhsh brisketai akribws sth diadikasia na sygkrothsei ta organa ta opoia problepontai apo th gnwsth nomikh diatajh, basei ths opoias h Kybernhsh exei apofasisei oti prepei na proxwrhsei h promhqeia twn chfiakwn paroxwn toy OTE.

PARIS: Mhpws qa mporoysate na moy dwsete kapoio xroniko orio;

REPPAS: Den yparxei sygkekrimeno xroniko orio. Epidiwkoyme na einai to mikrotero dynato to xroniko diasthma poy qa xreiasqei, wste na diekperaiwqoyn kai oloklhrwqoyn oi diadikasies, tis opoies exoyme apofasisei.

MOYRTZHS: Ayth h "gyra" poy ekane sta politika grafeia twn politikwn Arxhgwn o k. Kastanidhs edwse apotelesma;

REPPAS: Enhmerwse o k. Kastanidhs gia thn apofash poy elabe h Kybernhsh, gia thn politikh ths Kybernhshs sto sygkekrimeno qema. Yphrjan apoceis oi opoies htan apolyta symfwnes me th qesh ths Kybernhshs, Yphrjan apoceis oi opoies htan diaforetikes. Anaferw paradeigmatikws oti ekfrasthke h apoch to Dioikhtiko Symboylio toy OTE, na apofasisqei oti qa orizetai me qhteia, oxi apo thn ekastote Kybernhsh, alla me qhteia ths opoias h diarkeia qa yperbainei ta xronika oria ths qhteias mias Kybernhshs, wste na exei ena xarakthra diaforetiko. Na mhn einai dhladh organo to opoio qa ypakoyei se entoles h kateyqynseis mias sygkekrimenhs Kybernhshs, alla yperbainontas ta oria - me th qhteia poy qa exei ayto to organo - ths qhteias ths Kybernhshs, na mporei aperispasta na kanei to ergo ayto kai na lambanei apofaseis, gia poly megalytera xronika diasthmata. Oi apoceis aytes akoygontai apo thn Kybernhsh. H Kybernhsh pisteyoyme oti exei labei mia apofash, h opoia ikanopoiei kai to endiaferon olwn mas wste na ejasfalizontai oi oroi diafaneias sto dhmosio bio, alla - epanalambanw kai pali - sthn prajh ofeiloyme na yperaspistoyme ta symferonta aytoy toy megaloy Organismoy.

MOYRTZHS: Mhpws h Kybernhsh qa apotanqei sth bohqeia jenoy empeirognwmona gia tis 300.000 chfiakes paroxes;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh endiaferetai, k. Moyrtzh, to syntomotero dynato na sygkrothqei ayth h epitroph h opoia anaferetai sth gnwsth sas nomikh diatajh. H epitroph ayth mporei na labei apofaseis gia ta panta. Akomh mporei na zhthsei, prosfeygontas se jenoys oikoys h empeirognwmones th bohqeia kai th symboylh toys, prokeimenoy h diadikasia ayth anaqeshs twn newn chfiakwn paroxwn na einai kai diafanhs, alla kai symferoysa gia ton OTE.

MIXAHL: H Kybernhsh pws ektima th stash ths Germanias stis synanthseis poy eixe h germanikh politikh hgesia me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias;

REPPAS: Emeis ekqesame tis apoceis mas, epanalabame tis qeseis mas poy sas einai gnwstes. Oi qeseis tis opoies dhmosiws anefere o k. Kinkel kai h germanikh hgesia einai qeseis poy epishs sas einai gnwstes. Mporeite na tis krinete eseis. Asfalws den dinoyn thn taytothta kai thn symptwsh poy qa qelame emeis na yparxei metajy twn germanikwn kai ellhnikwn qesewn gia ta sygkekrimena qemata. Alla bebaiws, to pedio ths syzhthshs einai anoikto. Qa synexisqei kai thn epomenh periodo sta plaisia kai twn ergasiwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Emeis, epeidh einai apolyta swstes oi qeseis mas, qa diekdikhsoyme mexri telos th dynatothta kai to dikaiwma oi qeseis aytes na ginoyn dektes, pera apo to na synantoyn thn katanohsh kai apo tis alles xwres.

MIXAHL: Na synexisw ligo akoma;

REPPAS: Parakalw.

MIXAHL: H Kybernhsh - na to pw pio anoikta - einai enoxlhmenh apo th stash ths Germanias, oxi toso mono epi ths oysias oti dhladh den symmeristhke tis ellhnikes qeseis sta ellhno- toyrkika, oso to oti threi mia stash mh filikh - epitrecte moy, dikos moy o xarakthrismos - pros thn Ellada gia ta ellhno-toyrkika, thn idia wra poy anexetai th stash ths Bretanias sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, enw antiqeta emas mas piezei na kanoyme pisw se mia seira zhthmata. Dhladh oysiastika emfanizetai sto idio qema me dyo diaforetika proswpa. Ayto sas problhmatizei; Sas enoxlei;

REPPAS: Syzhtwntas paromoia qemata sto parelqon, k. Mixahl, s' ayth thn aiqoysa, eixa thn eykairia na tonisw oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh einai tote ikanopoihmenh otan kai oi alles xwres apodexontai to dikio twn dikwn mas qesewn kai taytizontai me aytes tis qeseis. Otan ayto den symbainei, asfalws den exoyme logoys na ekfrazoyme idiaiterh ikanopoihsh. Epeidh omws gnwrizoyme oti oi syzhthseis poy ginontai sto dieqnh xwro einai syzhthseis poy exoyn ena xarakthra diapragmateyshs diarkh, emeis qa synexisoyme ayth mas thn prospaqeia, wste na enhmerwsoyme tis jenes Kybernhseis kai mesw aytwn th dieqnh koinh gnwmh gia to dikaio twn qesewn mas, epidiwkontas kaqe fora na ejasfalizoyme perissotera kai isxyrotera ereismata yper aytwn twn qesewn.

I.XASAPOPOYLOS: Ena sxolio qa hqela gia th xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Gkionensai poy eipe gia tis diafores me thn Ellada poy aporreoyn apo tis dieqneis synqhkes kai eidika anaforika me to kaqestws twn braxonhsidwn kai oti den exoyn kapoies edafikes diekdikhseis, an qymamai...

REPPAS: Polles dhlwseis ths toyrkikhs pleyras einai dhlwseis oi opoies - opws kat' epanalhch exw pei - prepei na odhgoyn se mia syneph antistoixia me sygkekrimenh praktikh symperifora apo thn Toyrkia. H symperifora ths Toyrkias brisketai - qa elega - se antiqesh me ta osa ypokritikws, opws apodeiknyetai telikws, oi Toyrkoi legoyn. Emeis poy pragmatika qeloyme proseggish me thn Toyrkia, exoyme ypodeijei poa einai h diadikasia ayth h opoia prepei na akoloyqhqei, wste na epiteyxqei ayth h proseggish. H diadikasia ayth sas einai gnwsth. H Toyrkia einai h xwra h opoia prepei na analabei thn prwtoboylia giati kata to gnwsto kai klassiko "o trwsas kai iasetai", h Toyrkia dhmioyrghse to problhma, h Toyrkia einai ayth poy pairnontas prwtoboylia mporei na odhghsei se mia diadikasia lyshs toy problhmatos. Emeis anamenoyme apo thn Toyrkia na analabei ayth thn prwtoboylia. Mexri na symbei ayto, antimetwpizontas kiolas mia epiqetikh kai proklhtikh symperifora apo thn Toyrkia, den exoyme kanena logo na eimaste ikanopoihmenoi h etoimoi na proselqoyme se opoiodhpote dialogo kai synennohsh me thn Toyrkia. Kai sth qesh ayth qa parameinoyme.
Sas eyxaristw poly.

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