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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 7.5.1996

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA META TH SYNEDRIASH THS KYBERNHTIKHS EPITROPHS (WRA: 15.15)

* Sto prwto qema gia thn Olympiakh Aeroporia: Epibebaiwqhke h qesh ths Kybernhshs na prowqhsei to programma ejygianshs me th beltiwsh orismenwn pleyrwn toy programmatos ejygianshs ths O.A. Na beltiwsei - opoy xreiazetai - thn politikh antagwnismoy ths Etaireias. Kai bebaiws syzhthqhke akomh to plegma twn qematwn poy exei qesei h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph sto plaisio xrhmatodothshs toy programmatos ejygianshs ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias. Qemata sta opoia h Kybernhsh qa dwsei sygkekrimenes apanthseis.

* Sto deytero qema gia thn Yphresia Politikhs Aeroporias: Syzhthqhke h epispeysh twn diadikasiwn eksygxronismoy toy systhmatos enaerias kykloforias. Epishs egine mia proseggish gia to nomiko kaqestws ths Y.P.A.

* Sto trito qema twn promhqeiwn: O Ypoyrgos Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn k. Xarhs Kastanidhs eishghqhke sygkekrimena metra gia promhqeies poy aforoyn to Ypoyrgeio, toy opoioy proistatai. Egine syzhthsh gia to sygkekrimeno qema kai apofasisqhke na yparjei kai pali, sto epomeno diasthma, syzhthsh gia to sygkekrimeno qema poy qa afora pia tis promhqeies se olo to dhmosio tomea. Yparxei palaioteros nomos. Yparxoyn protaseis poy exoyn katateqei. Qa yparjei mia synqesh twn eishghsewn gia to megalo ayto qema, wste kai h diafaneia na ejasfalizetai kai h pisth thrhsh twn orwn toy ygioys antagwnismoy, oson afora tis promhqeies toy dhmosioy tomea. Qa ekdoqei anakoinwsh h opoia qa einai se ligo sth diaqesh sas. Kai bebaiws, exoyn ginei sxetikes dhlwseis apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo. Gia perissoteres leptomereies, oi diapisteymenoi syntaktes sto Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn mporoyn na qesoyn apeyqeias ekei tis erwthseis toys.

** Gnwrizete epishs oti xqes, sth Boylh, egine h syzhthsh gia thn ejwterikh politikh ths Kybernhshs, thn opoia parakoloyqhse o ellhnikos laos.
-Oloklhrwqhke enas prwtos kyklos episkecewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto ejwteriko kai hrqe h katallhlh stigmh na ejaxqoyn ta prwta symperasmata kai na yparxei mia plhrhs enhmerwsh gia ta apotelesmata twn episkecewn aytwn.
-H Kybernhsh epiqymoyse ayth th syzhthsh. Apodeixqhke - pisteyoyme - kai anadeixqhke h orqothta ths politikhs poy akoloyqei h Kybernhsh sta eqnika qemata. Qewroyme pws h qesh ths Ellados einai anabaqmismenh. Yparxei megalyterh katanohsh shmera gia ta problhmata mas kai mia eymenhs antidrash gia ta eqnika mas qemata kai ton tropo me ton opoio h Ellada ta proseggizei kai tis lyseis tis opoies proteinei gia ta qemata ayta.
-Pisteyoyme pws h politikh ths Kybernhshs apotelei mia poly kalh bash, wste na anaptyxqei mia politikh strathgikoy xarakthra gia ta eqnika mas qemata, ta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs, h opoia qa yperbainei to xroniko orizonta mias koinoboyleytikhs periodoy h th qhteia mias Kybernhshs, alla kai ta politika oria ths epirrohs enos kommatos.
-Pisteyoyme oti h politikh ths Kybernhshs gia thn anadeijh twn dynatothtwn mas sto xwro twn Balkaniwn, alla kai ths enisxyshs ths paroysias mas sto plaisio twn ejelijewn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, einai h pleon orqh politikh, thn opoia kai ta alla kommata se megalo baqmo aspazontai, para tis epimeroys diaforopoihseis h kritikes poy askoyn gia taktikoys logoys.
-Oso de tis dimereis sxeseis tis opoies h Ellada epidiwkei na anaptyjei me alles xwres poy exoyn idiaiterh shmasia, opws einai oi Hnwmenes Politeies, h Rwsia kai oxi mono, pisteyoyme oti den yparxei, den anadeixqhke toylaxiston diaforetikh protash gia ta qemata ayths ths kathgorias.
-Telos de gia thn antimetwpish twn megalwn eqnikwn qematwn poy aforoyn eite thn epilysh toy kypriakoy problhmatos poy xronizei, eite thn ejomalynsh twn ellhno-toyrkikwn sxesewn, pisteyoyme pws h politikh ths Kybernhshs einai h orqh politikh, h opoia ginetai dekth apo olo kai perissoteroys. Apokta ereismata kai apodoxh. Den qriambologoyme. Den einai o kairos gia synqhmata, allwste. Ta problhmata einai megala kai piezoyn. Qewroyme, omws, oti para to oti o dromos einai makrys, eimaste sto swsto dromo.
-Epishmainw, aplws, th stash toy k. Ebert - kai menw mono s'ayto to shmeio - o opoios anekalyce ena keimeno apo to Toyrkiko Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, to opoio epeseise prokeimenoy na efeyrei dikaiologies kai na askhsei kritikh sthn Kybernhsh gia adynamies ths ejwterikhs ths politikhs. Pisteyoyme pws ayto eite fanerwnei agnoia gia thn apolyta synhqismenh praktikh poy akoloyqeitai stoys Dieqneis Organismoys kai tis sxeseis poy exoyn oi xwres me toys Dieqneis Organismoys, eite fanerwnei mia kommatikh mikrocyxia, h opoia di'aytoy toy tropoy apotelese th bash gia na askhqei antipoliteytikh kritikh sthn Kybernhsh, xwris na yparxei logos.
-Qewroyme pws h politikh ths Kybernhshs gia thn opoia exei enhmerwsh o ellhnikos laos, alla bebaiws exoyn kai ta kommata, oi politikes dynameis toy topoy, mporei na ejasfalisei th megisth dynath yposthrijh apo to lao kai ta politika kommata kai na einai h politikh h opoia qa odhghsei sthn apotelesmatikh antimetwpish twn problhmatwn mas kai sth lysh twn problhmatwn aytwn. Ayta apo pleyras moy. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MAYROS: Sto proeklogiko programma toy PASOK yphrxe h rhth yposxesh gia th sygkrothsh Anwtaths Epitrophs Promhqeiwn. Tetoia Epitroph den exei systaqei pote. Einai stis proqeseis ths Kybernhshs...

REPPAS: Kyrie Mayro, yparxei nomos o opoios isxyei kai problepei akribws organo to opoio - an qelete - sth synqesh toy perilambanei ekproswpoys olwn twn kommatwn, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei qemata promhqeiwn toy dhmosioy tomea. Prepei na sas pw oti to organo ayto epilambanetai promhqeiwn ayth thn periodo kiolas, poy aforoyn to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. To qema twn promhqeiwn, logw kai twn synqhkwn poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei ta teleytaia xronia sthn patrida mas, einai ena megalo qema. Mas apasxolei. Kai epanalambanw kai pali oti h Kybernhsh qa epanelqei sto sygkekrimeno qema kai qa labei telikes apofaseis, wste na ejasfalizetai kai h diafaneia kai na throyntai pistws oi oroi toy ygioys antagwnismoy.

MAYROS: Lypamai, alla prepei na sas epishmanw oti agnoeite pws sto parelqon, me ton k.Papandreoy eixame syzhthsei gi'ayto to qema. O k. Papandreoy rhta eixe dhlwsei epejhgwntas thn yposxesh toy, oti qa prokeitai gia Epitroph Anwtath, h opoia qa parei thn eyqynh, qa apospasei thn eyqynh apo toys Ypoyrgoys twn promhqeiwn. Tetoio pragma den exei pote qesmoqethqei. Yparxei problhmatismos kai sta stelexh toy PASOK kai h erwthsh moy paramenei h idia.

REPPAS: Kyrie Mayro, o problhmatismos sas einai swstos. Einai qetikos. Giati yparxei kai sthn Kybernhsh aytos o problhmatismos.

MAYROS: Ma, den einai sthn proqesh moy na kataqetw s'aythn thn aiqoysa problhmatismoys.

REPPAS: O problhmatismos aytos yparxei sthn Kybernhsh. O kaq'ylhn armodios Ypoyrgos k. Kastanidhs eishghqhke sygkekrimena metra gia promhqeies poy aforoyn to Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn. Sth syzhthsh poy egine, anadeixqhke h anagkh na yparjei mia synolikh politikh gia to dhmosio kai tis promhqeies toy, symfwna me tis epiqymies ths Kybernhshs na ejasfalisqoyn oroi diafaneias kai ygioys antagwnismoy gia tis promhqeies sto Dhmosio. Einai ena qema sto opoio - epanalambanw kai pali - h Kybernhsh qa epanelqei. Einai megalhs shmasias gia mas kai qa yparjei telikh apofash sto epomeno diasthma, me bash eishghseis oi opoies exoyn katateqei kai katateinoyn s'ayto poy kai eseis ypodhlwsate me thn erwthsh sas, na yparjoyn organa (peran ths epirrohs h toy elegxoy ths Kybernhshs) ta opoia qa apofasizoyn gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Sthn kateyqynsh ayth egine syzhthsh shmera sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph.

MAYROS: O syneirmos moy egine me aformh ayta poy eipe h Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs kyria Basw Papandreoy, pro eikosahmeroy, oti kapoy se kapoia shmeia to proeklogiko programma toy PASOK den efarmosqhke. Einai desmeysh ths Kybernhshs na efarmosei to proeklogiko programma ths. Kanenan problhmatismo den kateqesa. Kai to proeklogiko programma yparxei...

REPPAS: Kataqetete twra problhmatismo. Kai sas lew oti h syzhthsh kinhqhke s'ayth thn kateyqynsh. Kai ayto deixnei thn eyaisqhsia ths Kybernhshs kai th synepeia thn opoia exei ws pros to na thrhsei kai na efarmosei to proeklogiko programma toy PASOK.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh milhsate gia promhqeies toy Ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn, den syzhthqhke to qema toy OTE kai ayto poy proekyce...

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, den egine kammia syzhthsh gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia promhqeies den milhsate kai den syzhthsate gi'ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Syzhthsame mia politikh promhqeiwn. Den syzhthsame sygkekrimena peristatika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, o OTE einai Organismos poy epopteyetai apo to Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn.

REPPAS: Syzhthsame mia politikh gia th diafaneia kai toys oroys toy ygioys antagwnismoy poy prepei na diepoyn tis promhqeies toy Dhmosioy. Den egine periptwsiologikh syzhthsh. Meiname se epipedo arxwn, sth xarajh kapoiwn grammwn kai kateyqynsewn gia ta qemata politikhs promhqeiwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den syzhthqhke, kyrie Ypoyrge, ayto; Den sas apasxolei ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Thn Kybernhsh, thn apasxolei. Kai exei armodia organa poy apasxoloyntai m'ayto. O Ypoyrgos Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn kai h Dioikhsh toy OTE bebaiws (poy einai Dioikhsh enos Organismoy) asxoloyntai m'ayta ta qemata, asfalws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai den eprepe na enhmerwsei o Ypoyrgos Metaforwn gi'ayto to qema poy exei prokycei kai ti prokeitai na ginei kai ti qa ginei;

REPPAS: Na enhmerwsei poion;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn Kybernhsh.

REPPAS: Ma, einai enhmerwmenos o Prwqypoyrgos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote enhmerwqhke;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos einai enhmerwmenos giati eixe synergasia kai xqes me ton armodio Ypoyrgo. Sas diafeygei ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes enhmerwqhke o Prwqypoyrgos gi'ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, otan synergazetai o Prwqypoyrgos me enan Ypoyrgo toy, enhmerwnetai gia ola ta qemata armodiothtos toy Ypoyrgeioy toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Opote ton enhmerwse kai gi'ayto.

REPPAS: Gia ta panta enhmerwnetai o Prwqypoyrgos. Einai drasthrios Prwqypoyrgos. Kai na eisqe sigoyroi oti exei ypoch toy polla pragmata, ta opoia eseis qewreite oti den gnwrizei. Ta gnwrizei. Gi'ayto na eisqe hsyxoi. Den lew na... koimaste hsyxoi(!) opws eipe kapoios politikos palaiotera, alla na eisqe drasthrioi kai taytoxrona nhfalioi oti ta qemata sas einai ypoch twn armodiwn kai antimetwpizontai kata ton kalytero tropo.

BAREMENOS: Yphrxan kai Prwqypoyrgoi "araxtoi", kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Kyrie Baremene, egw den ekana to sxolio ayto wste ej antidiastolhs na bgalete alla symperasmata. Eipa oti o sygkekrimenos Prwqypoyrgos einai drasthrios Prwqypoyrgos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O sygkekrimenos Prwqypoyrgos.

REPPAS: Ma, gia ton Prwqypoyrgo milhsame. Enas einai o Prwqypoyrgos se kaqe xwra. Eseis exete ypoch sas xwres poy exoyn perissoteroys toy enos Prwqypoyrgoys;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi prohgoymenoi Prwqypoyrgoi ti hsan dhladh;

REPPAS: Poly kaloi oi prohgoymenoi. Alla otan milame gia Prwqypoyrgo shmera, milame gia ton k. Shmith.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Koimontoysan oi prohgoymenoi;

REPPAS: Eseis exete ypoch sas to montelo ths Neas Dhmokratias, kyrie Stamatopoyle, opoy sthn hgesia ths yparxoyn polles kefales. Enas Prwqypoyrgos yparxei sthn Ellada.

MOYRTZHS: Shmera o kaq'ylhn armodios Ypoyrgos ekane mia eishghsh gia tis promhqeies. Mas eipate sthn poreia oti to qema qa syzhthqei se allh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, wste na yparjei synqesh eishghsewn. Erwtw loipon: Yphrjan enstaseis, diaforopoihseis melwn ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs;

REPPAS; Einai logikh h erwthsh sas.

KIAOS: Emeis den akoysame thn erwthsh, kyrie Ypoyrge.

REPPAS: Afoy einai logikh, shmainei oti einai kai aytonohth. Poy shmainei oti apo thn apanthsh mporeite na katalabete poia htan h erwthsh, kyrie Kiao. O,ti einai logiko, einai aytonohto.

FILHS: Mono ta aytonohta einai logika;

REPPAS: Oxi. Ta logika einai aytonohta, omws. Loipon, kyrie Moyrtzh, den yphrjan diafwnies. Exoyn kai palaiotera teqei paromoia qemata, sto plaisio ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Opws kai egw plhroforhqhka shmera, exoyn katateqei eishghseis kai sto parelqon, exoyn yparjeis epishmanseis gia thn efarmogh ayths ths politikhs, wste na katastei apotelesmatikh kai na mhn meinei sta oria mias ejaggelias agaqwn proqesewn kai monon. Lew oti yphrje apolyth symfwnia sto na yparjei mia sygkekrimenh politikh gia ta qemata twn promhqeiwn. Aplws, h politikh ayth - kai ayto einai poy ejetazei h Kybernhsh - den prepei na meinei mono sta osa aforoyn to Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn. Prepei na yparjei politikh promhqeiwn sto dhmosio tomea. Kai akribws ayto kai monon ayto einai to stoixeio to opoio odhghse sto na yparjei h apofash kat'arxhn na asxolhqei kai pali h Kybernhsh me to qema, prokeimenoy na xarajei mia politikh gia olo to Dhmosio kai tis promhqeies s'ayto.

MOYRTZHS: Poso htan to ycos twn promhqeiwn;

REPPAS: Den syzhthsame gia ariqmoys. Egine mia syzhthsh se epipedo arxwn.

KIAOS: Eipate prohgoymenws, anaferomenos sthn ejwterikh politikh ths Kybernhshs, an shmeiwsa kala, oti mporei na ejasfalisei th megisth apodoxh apo to lao kai apo ta kommata;

REPPAS: Mporei na apotelesei th bash mias synennohshs metajy twn kommatwn, wste na exei eyryterh kommatikh sthrijh kai megalh bebaiws apodoxh apo ton ellhniko lao.

KIAOS: Praktika, ayto pws metafrazetai, dhladh h bash synennohshs; Qa arxisei epafes o Prwqypoyrgos me toys Arxhgoys twn politikwn kommatwn;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti yparxoyn diayloi epikoinwnias kai o Prwqypoyrgos einai sth diaqesh twn politikwn Arxhgwn, prokeimenoy na toys enhmerwsei ana pasa stigmh.

KIAOS: Egw lew sygkekrimena, me bash ayto poy lete, dhladh th bash ths synennohsews: Yparxoyn programmatismenes synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy h toy Ypoyrgoy twn Ejwterikwn me Arxhgoys kommatwn;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kapoios idiaiteros programmatismos, kyrie Kiao. Aplws, h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos idiaiterws einai sth diaqesh twn politikwn Arxhgwn, prokeimenoy na enhmerwqoyn gia ta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs kai na ejasfalisqoyn oi megistes symptwseis gi'ayta ta qemata.

FILHS: Ep'aytoy: O k. Papandreoy otan htan Prwqypoyrgos, eixe ejaggeilei th sygkrothsh triwn Diakommatikwn Epitropwn. Mia ap'aytes aforoyse th xarajh strathgikhs gia ta eqnika qemata. Protiqetai h Kybernhsh na energopoihsei aythn thn protash;

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, oxi monon protiqetai h Kybernhsh, alla yparxei nomos, ston opoio h Kybernhsh qa dwsei sarka kai osta, prokeimenoy na leitoyrghsei ayth h Diakommatikh Epitroph.

FILHS: Pote qa sygklhqei ayth h Epitroph;

REPPAS: Ma, gnwrizete kyrie Filh, oti h Kybernhsh gia to sygkekrimeno qema exei deijei thn eyaisqhsia ths me to na einai parwn o Ypoyrgos twn Ejwterikwn se polles synedriaseis ths Diarkoys Koinoboyleytikhs Epitrophs Ejwterikwn Ypoqesewn kai na syzhta me toys boyleytes olwn twn kommatwn ta qemata ths ejwterikhs politikhs. To qema ths Diakommatikhs Epitrophs h opoia exei monimo xarakthra, einai ena qema proteraiothtos. Kai h Kybernhsh asfalws, sto epomeno diasthma, qa energopoihsei to sxetiko nomo kai h Epitroph ayth qa leitoyrgei me ta organa ta opoia problepontai.

FILHS: Pote qa ginei ayto;

REPPAS: Einai apofasismeno ayto, kyrie Filh.

FILHS; Ma den to ejhggeile xqes ayto o Prwqypoyrgos apo toy bhmatos ths Boylhs.

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, h syzhthsh poy egine xqes, eixe ena xarakthra enhmerwshs meta ton kyklo tajidiwn toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy. Den htan syzhthsh ef' olhs ths ylhs gia qemata ejwterikhs politikhs, den htan qewrhtikh syzhthsh. Alla oti ta qemata ayta h Kybernhsh ta antimetwpizei qetika kai h Epitroph ayth syntomws qa leitoyrghsei.

KARAMPASHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, kykloforoyn oi fhmes oti yparxei paraithsh toy k. Kastanidh.

REPPAS: Ti yparxei;

KARAMPASHS: Paraithsh toy k. Kastanidh h oti qa yparjei.

REPPAS: Paraithsh; Paraithsh apo poy dhladh; Apo th diaita poy ekane na xasei kanena kilo; (!) Apo poy paraithsh; Den katalaba. Apo poy o k. Kastanidhs na paraithqei; Apo Ypoyrgos; Sas parakalw!

KARAMPASHS: Ws fhmh kykloforei.

REPPAS: Kai prepei na diaceydoyme kai tis fhmes; Jerete, oso perissotero diaceydeis, toso mikroterh ajia exei.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, apeilhse me paraithsh o k. Kastanidhs;

REPPAS: Oyte kan. Den yparxei tetoio qema. Oxi, den yparxei tetoio qema, alla den yparxei yponoia qematos. Kai s'ayto eimai kathgorhmatikos.

ELENOPOYLOS: Epeidh o k. Kastanidhs feretai kai ws "loxagos"(!)

REPPAS: Den yfistatai tetoio qema, kyrie Elenopoyle. O k. Kastanidhs einai kai qa einai Ypoyrgos Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn ths Kybernhsews.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge eipate oti h qesh ths Elladas einai anabaqmismenh sto ejwteriko. Xqes sth syzhthsh sth Boylh oloi oi arxhgoi ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs poy milhsan...

REPPAS: Oloi oi arxhgoi ths!

STAMATOPOYLOS:... oloi oi arxhgoi ths Antipoliteyshs, alla kai o k. Pagkalos eipe "prospaqoyme na anabaqmisoyme th qesh ths Elladas"...

REPPAS: Eipa kai pali oti asfalws kai einai anabaqmismenh h qesh mas kai exoyme eymenh antidrash - opws xarakthristika eipa - stoys tropoys me toys opoioys proseggizoyme ta problhmata kai tis lyseis tis opoies proteinoyme gia ta problhmata ayta. Prepei na sas pw oti - to epanelaba allwste - den einai wra gia qriambologies. Exoyme synaisqhsh twn dyskoliwn. Ta problhmata einai megala, einai polla kai xreiazetai me synesh kai apofasistiko- thta na ta antimetwpisoyme. Ayto, omws, poy epishs einai pragmatikothta einai to oti h Ellada, gia prwth fora, den dexetai monomerws pieseis prokeimenoy na arei to "beto" -anaferw ena paradeigma mono - sto plaisio ths telwneiakhs syndeshs E.E. - Toyrkias. Blepete pleon oti askoyntai pieseis sthn Toyrkia. Epishmainoyme epishs oti, gia prwth fora meta apo para poly kairo, h piesh kai h protroph h opoia apoteloyse to monimo stoixeio apo thn pleyra twn etairwn mas sto plaisio ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, alla kai allwn, twn HPA sygkekrimena, prokeimenoy na odhghqoyme se ena dialogo ef' olhs ths ylhs me thn Toyrkia exei allajei. Kai paroysiazetai twra ws mia qesh diaforetikh h opoia leei - symfwna me ta osa kai emeis proteiname - oti opoy yparxoyn problhmata h zhthmata nomikoy xarakthra h amfisbhthsewn dieqnwn synqhkwn prepei na odhgoyntai kai na antimetwpizontai apo nomika organa. Epeidh aytos akribws - o nomikos dhladh - einai kai o xararthras twn problhmatwn. To oti akribws yparxei mia - gia prwth fora, qa moy epitrecete na pw - metakinhsh apo th qesh pollwn xwrwn, twn perissoterwn an oxi olwn, gia ef' olhs ths ylhs politiko dialogo me thn Toyrkia (poy htan qesh ths Toyrkias) se mia allh qesh h opoia einai konta stis dikes mas, ayto den mporei para na einai mia qetikh ejelijh sto plaisio ths ejwterikhs mas politikhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den dexqhke pieseis apo tis HPA h Ellada; Den dexqhke o Prwqypoyrgos pieseis;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, otan kanete mia genikh erwthsh "an dexetai pieseis h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh", katalabainete oti qa parete mia genikh apanthsh, h opoia qa leei oti: kaqe Kybernhsh dexetai pieseis kai kaqe Kybernhsh askei pieseis prokeimenoy na ejyphrethqoyn kapoia symferonta. Kaqe Kybernhsh poy qelei na prowqhsei ta symferonta ths askei piesh se mia allh Kybernhsh gia opoiodhpote qema. Den afora mono eqnika qemata h piesh. Mporei na einai kai gia qemata oikonomikoy endiaferontos...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis eipate oti den dexqhke pieseis apo tis HPA.

REPPAS: Oxi, den eipa ayto. Eipa oti oi pieseis poy askoyntan monomerws sthn Ellada na odhghqei se ena politiko ef' olhs ths ylhs dialogo me thn Toyrkia, blepoyme oti twra einai pieseis poy askoyntai kai pros thn Toyrkia. Kai o k. Gilmaz monos toy eipe oti "apofasizoyme na allajoyme thn politikh mas". To eipe o idios o k. Gilmaz se synenteyjh poy edwse xqes. Ayto bebaia einai mia ejaggelia qewrhtikh. Emeis qewroyme pws einai kai pros wfelos ths Toyrkias na mhn parameinei kaqhlwmenh sthn epektatikh kai epiqetikh politikh thn opoia paroysiazei kata thn teleytaia periodo, ta teleytaia xronia, sthn perioxh. Elpizoyme kai sthn prajh na yparjoyn oi synepeis antistoixies sto logo toy k. Gilmaz. Ayta einai stoixeia ta opoia bebaiws ajiologoyme. Epanalambanw kai pali oti den qriambologoyme. O dromos einai makrys - to epeshmana - qewroyme omws oti eimaste sto swsto dromo.

MOYRTZHS: Symfwna me stoixeia ths koinotikhs statistikhs yphresias o proypologismos trexei me 9,2% to Martio kai oi dhmosies dapanes exoyn ayjhqei. Ayto den problhmatizei thn Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh asfalws problhmatizetai apo thn ejelijh twn oikonomikwn deiktwn. Qewrei omws - opws kai pali exw pei - oti h oikonomikh ths politikh einai monodromos. Einai politikh staqerothtas kai anaptyjhs. Einai politikh h opoia den amfisbhteitai, kaq' oti den ypodeiknyontai diaforetikes protaseis alla kommata, alla bebaiws prepei - epanalambanw kai pali - na beltiwsoyme thn oikonomikh politikh stoys tomeis ekeinoys oi opoioi fainetai oti den exoyn ta apotelesmata poy eixame qesei apo thn arxh ws stoxoys.

KIAOS: Anaferomai sthn epistolh Benizeloy pros ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ean syzhthse to qema o k. Shmiths me ton k. Benizelo; Kai poy brisketai to qema;

REPPAS: O k. Benizelos ejefrase tis apoceis toy graptws, sta plaisia diadikasiwn enos kommatikoy organoy, ston k. Prwqypoyrgo. Den yphrje idiaiterh synanthsh kai syzhthsh gia to sygkekrimeno qema metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs. O k. Benizelos ekane xqes dhlwsh, h opoia sas einai gnwsth, basei ths opoias sthrizei thn ejwterikh politikh ths Kybernhshs. Alla bebaiws, opws kaqe stelexos, exei to dikaiwma na diatypwnei tis apoceis toy sto plaisio toy problhmatismoy poy anaptyssetai sto PASOK. Gia kaqe qema kai gia ta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs.

KACAMPELHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, afoy lete oti kaqe stelexos exei to dikaiwma na diatypwnei thn apoch toy, mia genikh erwthsh, gia mia genikh apanthsh: Otan oi symboyloi toy Prwqypoyrgoy, se dhmosies dhlwseis, toys ekfrazoyn apoceis, ekfrazoyn proswpikes apoceis h apoceis toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

REPPAS: Asfalws ekfrazoyn proswpikes apoceis. O Prwqypoyrgos ekfrazetai o idios otan krinei oti prepei na parei dhmosiws qesh gia ena qema poy einai shmantiko. Kai bebaiws dia toy Ekproswpoy ths Kybernhshs ekfrazetai h epishmh qesh ths Kybernhshs, ths opoias proistatai o Prwqypoyrgos.

KACAMPELHS: Hqela na rwthsw an to nomosxedio peri eyqynhs Ypoyrgwn qa apotelesei ek neoy antikeimeno syzhthshs sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

REPPAS: To nomosxedio ayto, k. Kacampelh - exei anakoinwqei allwste - qa syzhthqei me toys boyleytes toy PASOK, qa yparjei enas problhmatismos epeidh exoyn diatypwqei enstaseis. Einai apofash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy na yparxei epiteloys mia sygxronh ryqmish aytoy toy megaloy problhmatos ths antimetwpishs twn poinikwn eyqynwn twn Ypoyrgwn.

ELENOPOYLOS: Prin apo th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs o Prwqypoyrgos eixe synanthsh me toys oikonomikoys Ypoyrgoys h me orismenoys apo aytoys; Kai ean "nai" poio htan to antikeimeno ths syzhthshs;

REPPAS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos exei polles synanthseis kaqe mera. Nomizw oti shmera - epeidh to diapistwsa otan egw apoxwroysa - proshlqe thn wra ekeinh o k. Drys, o Yfypoyrgos Oikonomikwn. Einai polles oi synanthseis poy kanei kaqe mera o Prwqypoyrgos me Ypoyrgoys. Den nomizw oti ayto einai qema poy ajizei na to syzhthsoyme idiaitera.

EYSTAQIOY: Epeidh exei idiaitero endiaferon meta th synanthsh poy eixane sth Qrakh oi k. Shmiths kai Arsenhs, qa hqela na rwthsw ean o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei thn Pempth synanthsh me ton k. Arsenh.

REPPAS: Nomizw oti sto programma synegrasiwn toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy perilambanetai synanthsh toy, thn Pempth, me ton k. Arsenh kai oxi mono. Nomizw oti einai kai alloi Ypoyrgoi me toys opoioys prokeitai na synanthqei.

MOYRTZHS: Poioi einai mporeite na mas peite;

REPPAS: Den exw to plhres programma. Qa sas adikhsw ean me adikhsei h mnhmh moy. Nomizw omws oti to prwi synantatai me ton k. Klhridh, argotera synantatai me ton k. Laliwth kai exei epishs synanthsh me ton k. Arsenh. Ayta qymoymai. Nomizw oti ta anakoinwsa xqes sto plaisio toy programmatos poy exei gia ayth thn ebdomada o Prwqypoyrgos.

FILHS: O k. Tsoykatos probainei se dhlwseis, xwris na exei th dynatothta na diaxwrisqei h anqrwpinh ypostash toy apo th qesmikh ypostash toy poy einai symboylos toy Prwqypoyr- goy. Eipe loipon se synenteyjh toy xqes oti kata th gnwmh toy qa prepei na paraithqei o k. Papandreoy apo thn Proedria toy PASOK kai oti o k. Shmiths qa prepei na einai ypochfios gia thn Proedria h thn Antiproedria toy kommatos sto epikeimeno Synedrio toy PASOK. Proswpikes apoceis einai aytes, kammia antirrhsh. Epanalambanw omws oti h anqrwpinh ypostash den mporei na diaxwrisqei apo th qesmikh ypostash poy o idios exei ws symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

REPPAS: An epiqymeite, kante thn erwthsh sas parakalw, giati me perimenei kai o Kyprios synadelfos moy, o k. Kasoylidhs.

FILHS: H erwthsh moy, loipon, einai h ejhs: Prokyptei kapoio qema apo aytes tis dhlwseis, oi opoies ekontes akontes shmatodotoyn kapoies apo tis proqeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

REPPAS: Ekana safes, pws ekfrazetai o Prwqypoyrgos. Eipa molis oti oi apoceis aytes einai proswpikes apoceis. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo. Ayto ta leei ola.

KIAOS: Gia thn epistolh Benizeloy: Protiqetai h Kybernhsh thn epistolh Benizeloy pros ton Prwqypoyrgo na th dwsei sth dhmosiothta;

REPPAS: H epistolh ayth exei doqei apo ton k. Benizelo ston k. Prwqypoyrgo. Ola ta keimena ta opoia dinontai, nomizw oti apoteloyn antikeimeno epejergasias prokeimenoy na ejaxqoyn symperasmata. Den nomizw oti dinontai sth dhmosiothta. Kai den yparxei logos na yparjei diaforetikh antimetwpish gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

KIAOS: Erwtw epeidh kai diabasate ta "reportaz". H Antipoliteysh sthrije arketa ton antipoliteytiko ths logo s'ayto to gegonos. Kai apo thn apoch ayth exei endiaferon na plhroforhqoyme perissotera. Den jerw an gnwrizei o k. Ebert perissotera h an gnwrizei o opoiosdhpote allos perissotera, qa qelame omws kai emeis na maqoyme gia na plhroforhsoy- me.

REPPAS: Apanthsh kathgorhmatikh kai egkyrh edwse o idios o k. Benizelos meta th dhlwsh thn opoia ekane xqes kai sthn opoia fainetai pws didei thn yposthrijh toy sthn ejwterikh politikh ths Kybernhshs.

KIAOS: Ma den qa eprepe...(den akoygetai)

REPPAS: Sta plaisia twn kybernhtikwn organwn h twn kommatikwn (giati en prokeimenw milame gia mia diadikasia h opoia elabe xwra se kommatikh synedriash), antallassontai apoceis oi opoies, polles fores, diatypwnontai graptws. Ayto einai qemito.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai aporrhth h epistolh Benizeloy;

REPPAS: Den einai aporrhth h epistolh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia na mhn broyme ton mpela mas, otan th dhmosieysoyme.

REPPAS: Ma, den exoyme politikh dhmosieysewn. An perielqei sth dhmosiothta, den einai kati to opoio episyrei ton cogo. Apo thn allh, omws, den exoyme kai mia politikh dhmosieysewn twn eggrafwn ta opoia diakinoyntai me apoceis stelexwn. Allo to ena, allo to allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na mhn mas kynhgaei kanenas Eisaggeleas, gi'ayto rwtaw.

REPPAS: Eseis den kindyneyete, kyrie Stamatopoyle! Apo Eisaggelea den kindyneyete!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo ti kindyneyw;

REPPAS: Eseis kindyneyete apo ton eayto sas kai monon! Par' oti legesqe "Stamatopoylos", eisqe astamathtos! Blepw, pairnete synexws to logo, xwris kan na sas exei doqei! Loipon, o k. Kacampelhs.

KACAMPELHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, otan o Prwqypoyrgos dhlwnei oti den einai ths paroyshs, den exei erqei h wra na parei apofash gia to an qa einai ypochfios sto Synedrio, ypoqetoyme oloi oti o Prwqypoyrgos den exei parei ontws thn apofash toy. Ara, loipon, den yparxei mia atajia ston peri ton Prwqypoyrgo xwro, otan symboyloi toy, estw kai ypo morfhn proswpikwn apocewn, enhmerwnoyn ton ellhniko lao gia to ti prepei na kanei o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw kai pali oti se mia dhmokratikh koinwnia o poliths, poly perissotero o poliths poy symmetexei se politikes diadikasies, exei to dikaiwma na ekfrazei thn apoch toy. O Prwqypoyrgos - htan safhs h apanthsh poy edwsa - einai aytos o opoios monos toy, me gnwmona to eqniko kai koinwniko symferon, qa anakoinwsei tis apofaseis toy.

KACAMPELHS: Syggnwmh, alla o k. Tsoykatos den eklhqh ws poliths na dwsei synenteyjh, dioti tote qa phgainame oloi na dinoyme synenteyjeis.

REPPAS: Nai, alla den fantazomai na eklhqh kai ws ekproswpos toy k. Shmith.

KACAMPELHS: Bebaiws.

REPPAS: Mhn eisqe toso kathgorhmatikos. Giati an rwthsoyme to synadelfo sas o opoios ton kalese, qa mas apanthsei oti kalese ton k. Tsoykato kai den kalese ton ekproswpo toy k. Shmith. Oyte o k. Tsoykatos eixe kapoia synennohsh me ton k. Shmith, prin dwsei tis apanthseis, xqes, stis erwthseis poy toy ypoblhqhkan. O k. Tsoykatos einai melos ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK. Exei kai aytos to dikaiwma na ekfrazei tis apoceis toy sta plaisia toy dialogoy poy anaptyssetai. Den einai meiwmenwn dikaiwmatwn.

KACAMPELHS: Nai, alla o k. Tsoykatos, kaq' olh th synenteyjh toy, den eipe oti ekfrazei proswpikes apoceis.

REPPAS: Einai aytonohto ayto, kyrie Kacampelh. Asfalws kai einai aytonohto.

MAYROS: Qa synanthqei ayrio me ton Proedro toy PASOK o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Ayrio, den einai programmatismeno na yparjei tetoia synanthsh.

MAYROS: Kai pote qa synanthqei;

REPPAS: Otan yparjei ayth h synanthsh, egkairws qa sas gnwstopoihqei.

KARAMPASHS: Sthn efhmerida "XOYRRIET" dhmosieyetai mia plhroforia oti etoimazetai synanthsh twn Prwqypoyrgwn Ellados kai Toyrkias.

REPPAS: Den yparxei opoiadhpote proetoimasia prokeimenoy na odhghqoyn se mia tetoia synanthsh.

PARIS: Mia erwthsh safws ektos politikoy "reportaz", alla an qelate na enhmerwqeite kai na mas plhroforhsete: Yparxei h plhroforia oti h xwra mas den qa diorganwsei toy xronoy to Pagkosmio Prwtaqlhma Stiboy, logw kaqysterhsewn twn ergwn poy apaitoyntai gia mia tetoia diorganwsh af'enos kai twn diafwniwn toy k. Foyra me ton SEGAS af'eteroy. Qa parakaloysa na to koitajete to qema kai na mas apanthsete.

REPPAS: Kai eseis na bohqhsete wste an yparxei problhma na jeperasqei, na oloklhrwqoyn ta erga kai na organwsoyme emeis toys Agwnes edw, toy xronoy.

EYSTAQIOY: Mhpws syzhthqhkan qemata Aigaioy sth shmerinh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs;

REPPAS: Den syzhthqhke opoiodhpote allo qema, peran twn qematwn armodiothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn kai malista twn triwn sygkekrimenwn qematwn, sta opoia anaferqhka sthn arxh ths syzhthshs mas.

FILHS: O paraithqeis Genikos Grammateas Neas Genias k.Tsiligkaridhs anaferei (sto keimeno ths paraithsews toy) oti toy zhthqhke apo to Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy na paraithqei. Yparxei kapoia sygkekrimenh plhroforhsh, apanthsh, sxolio ep'aytoy;

REPPAS: O k. Tsiligkaridhs einai ena stelexos to opoio sebomai kai ektimw, opws polla alla stelexh kai den gnwrizw poios einai o logos ths paraithshs toy. Gnwrizw omws oti exei ypobalei paraithsh apo th qesh thn opoia kateixe.

FILHS: Ma, sto keimeno ths paraithshs toy to opoio xqes gnwstopoihqhke, anaferontai ayta poy sas rwthsa.

REPPAS: Einai epilogh toy k. Tsiligkaridh. Moy zhtate na sxoliasw ti anaferei to keimeno toy o k. Tsiligkaridhs; Ma den gnwrizw toys logys ths paraithsews toy. Gnwrizw aplws oti yparxei paraithsh toy k. Tsiligkaridh.

ELENOPOYLOS: Mia dieykrinish: Den qa ekana thn erwthsh, alla apo thn apanthsh poy dwsate ston k. Kacampelh sxetika me ton symboylo toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy, exete diapistwsei na yparxoyn taseis sto stratopedo twn synergatwn toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy;

REPPAS: Kyrie Elenopoyle, kanete thn erwthsh gia na parete oxi apanthsh, alla gia na peite ayto poy qelate. Den yparxoyn taseis. Oloi eimaste synergates toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai h monh tash einai h ychlh tash poy exoyme pollwn bolt, ara kai reyma gia na pame kala!

** Ayrio, opws gnwrizete, qa synedriasei h Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK. Emeis qa exoyme kanonika thn taktikh mas enhmerwsh sth 1.00 m.m. sto Ypoyrgeio Typoy.
Sas eyxaristw poly.

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