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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 23.4.96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TO GENIKO GRAMMATEA TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. NIKO AQANASAKH

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ep'aytoy. Sygkekrimena qemata exoyme;

AQANASAKHS: Eiqistai oi dhlwseis na ginontai apo ekei. Exei paroysiasqei to plaisio epaneilhmmena kai apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo kai apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo. Oi synanthseis einai se ejelijh kata th diarkeia ths hmeras. Synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy qa yparjei amesws meta. Den einai skopimo na to epekteinoyme emeis edw, nomizw. Pisteyw oti symfwnoyme.
* Opws isws epishs exete dei, doqhke shmera sth dhmosiothta apo to Geniko Epiteleio Naytikoy h synoch toy porismatos gia thn ptwsh toy elikopteroy sthn Imia. Sas diabazw, gia th dikh sas xrhsh mono, to symperasma toy porismatos, to opoio leei: "Me bash ta parapanw ekteqenta prokyptei oti apo th diereynhsh, den tekmhriwqhkan ta aitia poy prokalesan thn apwleia toy elikopteroy kai toy plhrwmatos toy. Tekmhriwnetai, pantws, oti to elikoptero den katerrifqh kai den diapistwqhke mhxanikh blabh ws kyria aitia ths ptwsews toy". Ayto einai to symperasma toy porismatos. Epanalambanw oti h synoch exei doqei sth dhmosiothta. Exei epishs stalei apo ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas stoys politikoys Arxhgoys. To porisma, sto synolo toy, einai aporrhto. O Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas, omws, exei enhmerwsei toys politikoys Arxhgoys oti, efoson qeloyn na steiloyn ekproswpo toys sto Grafeio toy Arxhgoy toy Genikoy Epiteleioy Naytikoy opoy einai to porisma, mporoyn na enhmerwqoyn gia to plhres periexomeno kai ta analytika stoixeia toy.

MIXAHL: Gia to porisma, an oxi gia to plhres keimeno, toylaxiston gia ta basika merh toy kai to symperasma, exoyn enhmerwqei oi oikogeneies twn qymatwn;

AQANASAKHS: To porisma exei doqei sth dhmosiothta. Den gnwrizw thn akribh diadikasia poy exei akoloyqhsei to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas se ayto to sygkekrimeno shmeio. Prepei na sas pw, epeidh akoysa kai egw, h ermhneia toy porismatos na einai "anqrwpino laqos" k.lp., tetoia diatypwsh sto symperasma toy porismatos, den yparxei. To symperasma sas to diabasa ws exei.
* Se synexeia ths xqesinhs syzhthshs poy eixe prokycei se o,ti afora to peristatiko me thn katadiwjh apo to Limeniko Swma toyrkikoy skafoys xqes, qa hqela na shmeiwsw oti: H toyrkikh diplwmatia ekane, xqes, mia profanh epideijh kakopistias. Proxwrhse se diplwmatiko diabhma, to opoio malista xarakthrise "poly sklhro", yioqetwntas kai proballontas gia to xqesino peristatiko thn ekdoxh twn doylemporwn, twn opoiwn emfanizetai etsi prostaths kai synhgoros, efoson epimenei se ayth th grammh. Gnwrizete apo to reportaz oti den eixame na kanoyme oyte me cara, oyte me alieia, alla eixame na kanoyme me doylemporio metaforas laqrometanastwn. Gnwrizete epishs oti h Ellada exei epixeirhsei sto parelqon kai exei kalesei thn Toyrkia na syzhthqei eidika to qema ths laqrometanasteyshs kai na yparjoyn symfwnies, opws exoyn yparjei kai me alles xwres. Kai den exei yparjei synergasia apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias gia to qema ayto. Mporw na sas pw oti, molis prosfata, sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn poy meteixe o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajews, o k. Geitonas, ayto to qema ths mh synergasias ths Toyrkias eteqh apo thn Ellada kai anejarthta apo to sygkekrimeno epeisodio. Einai profanes oti h Ellada aperrice kathgorhmatika to xqesino toyrkiko diabhma kai epimenei na epishmainei thn anagkh na mh dhmioyrgoyntai entaseis kai na antimetwpizontai ta gegonota stis pragmatikes toys diastaseis. Gia th dikh sas enhmerwsh zhthsa orismena stoixeia gia to problhma twn laqrometanastwn. Mporw na sas dwsw ta synolika noymera apo tis shmeiwseis moy:- Ta eth 1992 - 1995 exoyme synolika eisodo 22.906, apo toys opoioys 5.361 einai apo ta nhsia...

MAYROS: Ti ennoeite otan lete apo ta nhsia;

AQANASAKHS: Exoyn entopisqei sta nhsia, to shmeio syllhchs h to shmeio entopismoy toys einai ta nhsia. Eishlqan apo to qalassio xwro, ennow. Epanalambanw loipon: 22.906 synolikos ariqmos gia ta eth 1992 - 1995, einai ta katagrammena kroysmata, apo toys opoioys 5.361 apo to qalassio xwro. Kyriws o entopismos toys einai sth Lesbo, Xio, Samo, Dwdekanhsa. To 1995 monon, exoyme 9.590 eisodoys atomwn, apo tis opoies 1.890 einai apo thn perioxh twn nhsiwn. Ayth einai h ektash toy problhmatos, kata ena meros qa elega, giati den einai bebaio oti panta yparxei entopismos kai syllhch.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Stoys ariqmoys aytoys perilambanontai oi Albanoi laqrometanastes;

AQANASAKHS: Oxi, milw mono apo Toyrkia, dhladh apo ton Ebro kai to nhsiwtiko xwro.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh oi 17.000 peripoy mphkan apo ton Ebro;

AQANASAKHS: Oi 17.545.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mphkan apo th qesh ekeinh;

AQANASAKHS: Ayth einai h ektash toy problhmatos, to opoio prospaqoyme na antimetwpisoyLe kai sto opoio prepei na synergasqei h Toyrkia, h opoia bebaiws exei kai h idia eyqynh gia to ti ginetai sta synora ths.
* Qa sas dwsw, epishs, orismenes plhrofories tis opoies eixa shmera to prwi apo to Grafeio Typoy sto Kairo gia thn katastash twn traymatiwn, meta apo episkech toy Proistamenoy sta nosokomeia shmera to prwi. Apo toys traymaties, o k. Stylianos Drakoylhs - poy einai sto nosokomeio AL XARAM - synexizei na qewreitai oti einai se sobarh katastash. Yposthrizetai mhxanika h anapnoh toy, alla oi ypoloipes leitoyrgies einai ikanopoihtikes. Oi giatroi qewroyn oti einai kalyterh h katastash toy apo mera se mera. Oi loipoi treis traymaties, Apostolos Arampatzhs, Maria Nakh kai Koyla Keraklidoy - poy einai sto nosokomeio AL XARAM synexizoyn men na noshleyontai sth Monada Entatikhs Qerapeias, h katastash ths ygeias t oys omws beltiwnetai staqera. Sto nosokomeio MAANTI, h kyria Filomhla Apostolakh exei metaferqei hdh se dwmatio toy nosokomeioy apo thn Entatikh. H katastash ths beltiwnetai staqera. Den yparxei akomh, ayth th stigmh poy miloyme, akribhs ektimhsh gia to xrono ths metaforas toys. Ayta apo emena eisagwgikws. Parakalw gia tis erwthseis sas, xwris na einai kai aparaithto.

MIXAHL: Yparxei h oxi gia thn Kybernhsh qema prowrwn eklogwn;

AQANASAKHS: Den apanthqhke xqes ayto to qema;

MIXAHL: Den peirazei. As to janapoyme shmera gia empedwsh.

AQANASAKHS: As to janapoyme. H Ellada exei staqerh Kybernhsh me isxyrh pleiochfia. To PASOK exei entolh apo ton ellhniko lao na kybernhsei ayth thn tetraetia, na efarmosei to programma toy kai na antimetwpisei ta problhmata ths xwras me ton kalytero dynato tropo. Ayto kanei kai ayto qa synexisei na kanei h Kybernhsh. Kai emeis exoyme th bebaiothta oti qa yparjei kai epomenh tetraetia, me thn entolh bebaiws toy ellhnikoy laoy. Na prosqesw se o,ti afora dhlwseis stelexwn: Ta stelexh exoyn tis proswpikes toys apoceis tis opoies ekfrazoyn. H qesh ths Kybernhshs einai ayth poy diatypwse kai xqes o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos.

MARDAS: H Kybernhsh exei plhrofories gia thn ygeia toy Andrea Papandreoy;

AQANASAKHS: Den to koitaja ayto shmera, den rwthsa. Den gnwrizw, omws, na yparxei kapoio idiaitero problhma, to opoio na xrhzei kapoias sxetikhs ereynas. Ej oswn gnwrizw, o Proedros toy PASOK brisketai se fash apoqerapeias, h opoia synexizetai.

MARDAS: H Kybernhsh exei epishmh epafh me ton Andrea Papandreoy, dioti einai o Arxhgos toy pleiochfoyntos sth Boylh kommatos, panw sthn pleiochfia toy opoioy sthrizetai h Kybernhsh...;

AQANASAKHS: Tis idiothtes toy Andrea Papandreoy tis gnwrizw.

MARDAS: Gi'ayto qelw na maqw ean exete endiaferon gia thn poreia ths ygeias toy...;

AQANASAKHS: Panta yparxei endiaferon. Kai h Kybernhsh kai ola ta stelexh toy PASOK, oi pantes, endiaferontai gia thn ygeia toy Proedroy toy PASOK kai thn omalh ejelijh ths.

MARDAS: Ayto to endiaferon pws ekdhlwnetai; Exei ginei thlefwnikh epikoinwnia;

AQANASAKHS: Me rwtate an exei ginei kapoia sygkekrimenh thlefwnikh epikoinwnia. Den to gnwrizw, kyrie Marda, ayth th stigmh. Den einai aparaithto na enhmerwnomai gia oles tis sygkekrimenes thlefwnikes epikoinwnies. Eimai bebaios, omws - xwris na sas apantw gia sygkekrimenh epikoinwnia, gia to opoio den exw ayth th stigmh thn plhroforia, ektimw omws kai den peftw ejw stis ektimhseis moy synhqws - oti qa yparxei profanws kai epikoinwnia kai enhmerwsh gia ola ayta.

MARDAS: Epeidh h ejelijh ths ygeias toy Andrea Papandreoy sxetizetai kai me thn eklogh Proedroy h Antiproedroy, exei sxesh oxi mono me tis kommatikes diadikasies, alla kai me thn poreia ths Kybernhshs, o Prwqypoyrgos...

AQANASAKHS: H syndesh poy kanate einai gia na me balete na apanthsw se ayto se sxesh me thn poreia ths Kybernhshs.... H poreia ths Kybernhshs einai poly sygkekrimenh gi' ayth thn tetraetia. Ta alla mporeite na ta anaptyjete sta sxolia sas.

MARDAS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa exei kapoia synanthsh me ton Andrea Papandreoy gia to qema ayto;

AQANASAKHS: Stis periptwseis poy ektimatai oti xreiazetai na ginei kapoia synanthsh pera apo opoies alles epikoinwnies, aytes programmatizontai, organwnontai kai sas anakoinwnontai.

MARDAS: O Proedros toy PASOK enhmerwnetai apo to Grammatea toy kommatos gia tis synedriaseis toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, gia thn poreia pros to Synedrio;

AQANASAKHS: Den einai qema ayths ths aiqoysas, ayth h erwthsh.

MARDAS: Poias einai;

AQANASAKHS: Den einai. Me rwthsate an o Proedros toy PASOK enhmerwnetai apo to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK.

MARDAS: Ena komma den einai sthn Kybernhsh, sthn ejoysia; Den yparxei diaxwrismos...

AQANASAKHS: Kyrie Marda, sas parakalw, dioti den yparxei logos na epektaqoyme s'ayto. Exw apanthsei plhrws. Plhrws. To antilambanesqe kai eseis oti exw apanthsei plhrws.

MARDAS: Den exete apanthsei sygkekrimena.

AQANASAKHS: Stis sygkekrimenes erwthseis sas exw apanthsei, profanws.

MARDAS: Ejetazei h Kybernhsh thn ekdosh iatrikoy anakoinwqentos gia thn poreia apoqerapeias toy Andrea Papandreoy;

AQANASAKHS: Ma poy empleketai h Kybernhsh se ayto, kyrie Marda; Giati me rwtate na sas pw apo th qesh toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy, an ejetazei h Kybernhsh thn ekdosh iatrikoy anakoinwqentos; Arketa iatrika anakoinwqenta den ejedoqhsan to prohgoymeno diasthma;

MARDAS: Dioti h Kybernhsh ayth sthrizetai panw sthn pleiochfia enos sygkekrimenoy kommatos.

AQANASAKHS: Profanws, h pleiochfia, loipon, sas lew - epeidh ayto einai to politiko qema poy sas endiaferei - h koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia toy PASOK einai staqerh kai isxyrh kai poly megalh. Ayto einai ena politiko qema sto opoio emplekomai kai mporw na apanthsw. An qelete na sas pw gia thn ygeia toy Proedroy toy PASOK, thn proswpikh moy eikona, na sas thn pw otan teleiwsei h shmerinh enhmerwsh.

MARDAS: Pisteyw oti einai ena qema qesmwn, na jerei o ellhnikos laos gia thn poreia apoqerapeias toy Arxhgoy toy pleiochfoyntos kommatos.

AQANASAKHS: Sas parakalw. H poreia apoqerapeias toy Proedroy toy PASOK, ej oswn gnwrizoyme, ejelissetai kanonika.

MAYROS: Se allo qema.

AQANASAKHS: Gia to idio qema, oytws h allws, den exw egw tipote allo.

MAYROS: Eipate oti xarakthrise h idia h toyrkikh pleyra to toyrkiko diabhma ws idiaitera sklhro.

AQANASAKHS: Einai apo epishmh dhlwsh ekproswpoy toy toyrkikoy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

MAYROS: Mhpws estw kai kata parekklish exete na mas peite kapoioys orismoys gia to epixeirhma poy xrhsimopoihse h toyrkikh pleyra...

AQANASAKHS: Yposthrije oti yphrje katadiwjh alieytikoy skafoys entos twn toyrkikwn xwrikwn ydatwn. Kai ola ayta htan apolytws anakribh, dioti den eixame oyte aliea, oyte alieytiko skafos, oyte emplokh se toyrkika xwrika ydata.

MAYROS: Thn asynhqh sklhrothta...

AQANASAKHS: Den exw dei thn plhrh enhmerwsh apo ton Presby mas sthn Agkyra, kyrie Mayro. Anaferqhka s'ayto poy perieixe h epishmh toyrkikh dhlwsh. O k. Mpermperakhs, epi toy qematos ypoqetw.

MPERMPERAKHS: Nai. Mexri kapoia hmeromhnia perysi, thn opoia den qymamai, yphrxe ellhnotoyrkikos dialogos, o opoios kata kyrio logo eixe periexomeno th laqrometanasteysh, ton opoio diekoce h Ellada epeidh h Toyrkikh Boylh edwse ejoysiodothsh gia piqanh energeia stratiwtikh sthn Kybernhsh. Ti allazei twra kai h Ellada epixeirei na epanelqei;

AQANASAKHS: Apo to perysi exete fqasei sto fetos me ena alma dwdeka mhnwn. Yparxoyn kai oi endiamesoi mhnes. Sto qema ths laqrometanasteyshs eixe ginei mia synanthsh edw, kapoia stigmh, sto xrono isws poy anaferete, den mporw ayth th stigmh na anatrejw eykola. Qymaste oti to problhma ths syzhthshs eidikwn qematwn poy apasxoloyn tis dyo xwres exei epanelqei meta apo to xroniko shmeio sto opoio anaferesqe. H Ellada to exei qesei jana. Den briskomaste dhladh sto shmeio ths apofashs ths Toyrkikhs Eqnosyneleyshs kai twn epiptwsewn ths. Exei paremblhqei xroniko diasthma kai exoyn paremblhqei kai dhlwseis kai topoqethseis ekaterwqen.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia poio logo h Agkyra katafere prwth kai enhmerwse th dieqnh koinh gnwmh gia toys laqrometanastes kai emeis enhmerwqhkame sthn poreia; Dhladh den yphrjan ta katallhla "riflej" apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas;

AQANASAKHS: Panta, otan yparxei ena qema, ginetai mia diereynhsh gia na deis ta akribh peristatika. Otan lete, giati h Agkyra katafere kai enhmerwse prwth th dieqnh koinh gnwmh, qa prepei na peite oti h Agkyra enhmerwse ceydws th dieqnh koinh gnwmh. Emeis kinhqhkame afoy eixame ola ta stoixeia apo toys emplekomenoys foreis, to Limeniko k.lp., kai dwsame thn apolytws akribh eikona.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h apanthsh sas ayth isxyei kai ws apanthsh sta sxolia meridas toy Typoy oti yphrje oligwria ths Kybernhshs sto na anakoinwsei pros thn ellhnikh koinh gnwmh kai to peristatiko proekyce apo plhrofories radiostaqmwn...;

AQANASAKHS: Den qa symfwnhsw mazi sas, oyte qa yioqethsw ton oro "oligwria", opws fantazesqe...

MIXAHL: Se sxolia grafetai...

AQANASAKHS: Den qa to yioqetoysa genikws kai den to yioqetw kai eidikotera sthn periptwsh ayth. Gia ton ejhs aplo logo: To qema proekyce xqes to prwi. Emeis enhmerwqhkame, jerame oti ginotan h diereynhsh twn qematwn kai htan mprosta h meshmerianh enhmerwsh, h dikh sas. Den htan to qema tetoio, den htan mia emplokh h opoia na prokalei meizon problhma. Yphrxe mia katadiwjh skafoys poy metefere laqrometanastes. Ayto ginetai syxna. Den einai prwtofanes.

STAMATOPOYLOS:Kyrie ekproswpe, omws, "paizontan" pantoy - kai sta ellhnika radiofwna kai stis thleoraseis - kapoies plhrofories ap' ejw...

AQANASAKHS: Oxi, yphrje ena syntomo thlegrafhma toy Praktorei|y...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, edw...

AQANASAKHS: Eixan hdh yparjei akribh reportaz sta radiofwna ta dika mas, opws qa qymaste, prin apo thn enhmerwsh poy egine edw apo ton kybernhtiko ekproswpo, ta opoia sthrizontan kai se topikes phges. Ebgainan dhladh kai apo to Limenarxeio kai apo to dhmarxo toy Kastellorizoy. H eikona se o,ti afora to eswteriko toylaxiston, yphrxe. H epilogh mas htan afoy symplhrwqoyn ta stoixeia na teqoyn ola edw, na paroysiastoyn me ton tropo poy paroysiasthkan. Den nomizw oti to qema eixe tetoia entash h ektash poy na ...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Akoysame kai emeis ta radiofwna ta opoia miloysan gia qermo epeisodio. Ayto "paizotan" synexws, enw den yphrxe tetoio qema. Meta th dieykrinish toy k. Reppa doqhke h telikh eikona.

AQANASAKHS: Shmeiwnw ta sxolia ayta, alla opws synhqws lew einai gia ta grapta sas.

FILHS: Symfwna me ta stoixeia ta opoia exei h ellhnikh pleyra yphrje traymatismos Toyrkoy doylemporoy h opoioydhpote alloy;

AQANASAKHS: Yparxoyn dhlwseis apo thn toyrkikh pleyra oti yparxei traymatismos enos Toyrkoy. Stamataei to Limeniko thn katadiwjh se ena shmeio, den elegxei to apotelesma, tis synepeies ...

FILHS: Ean yparxoyn traymaties, opws lene oi Toyrkoi - kai opws katalaba den to amfisbhteite, "mporei na yparxoyn" lete - tote...

AQANASAKHS: Den mporw na epibebaiwsw.

FILHS:... tote h exei traymatisqei apo Toyrkoys h exei aytotrayLatisqei h exei traymatisqei apo thn ellhnikh katadiwjh. Oi prwtes dyo periptwseis den mas aforoyn. H trith periptwsh, omws, den problhmatizei thn ellhnikh kybernhsh mhpws se olh thn ektash toy Aigaioy, pia opoy ws gnwston yparxoyn kai oi Ellhnes carades, arxisei na pagiwnetai...

AQANASAKHS: Ti doyleia exoyn oi carades k. Filh; Den yparxei kammia doyleia - me sygxwreite poy diakoptw - me carades. To peristatiko den exei kammia sxesh me alieia kai carades. Yparxei metafora laqrometanastwn kai doylemporio.

FILHS: Ayto einai h ellhnikh apoch, me thn opoia symfwnoyme.

AQANASAKHS: Oxi, den einai h ellhnikh apoch. Einai gnwstos o kyrios. Otan h Nomarxia Attaleias leei oti phre jeno skafos "phre jeno skafos", einai h ekdoxh ths Attaleias - kai bghke gia na metaferei laqrometanastes den antilambanomai giati einai "h ellhnikh apoch"...

FILHS: H toyrkikh ekdoxh, h epishmh me bash to diabhma poy exoyn kanei, h opoia desmeyei h proeidopoiei gia thn piqanh toyrkikh praktikh se olo to mhkos toy Aigaioy einai ceydhs symfwna me ta stoixeia ta opoia epikaleisqe ...

AQANASAKHS: Symfwna me ta pragmatika peristatika.

FILHS: Bebaiws. Den qa kanoyme dikh. Symfwna loipon me ta stoixeia ayta Toyrkos alieys - aytos einai o isxyrismos toys Iyrobolhqhke apo ellhnikh katadiwktikh arxh. Sas dhmioyrgei anhsyxia oti einai dynato na exoyme sto ameso mellon mia epektash apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias mias analoghs praktikhs eis baros Ellhnwn politwn;

AQANASAKHS: Giati prepei na paroyme th xeiroterh ekdoxh gia toys tropoys antidrashs ths Toyrkias, ayth th stigmh, kai me bash ayth thn ypoqesh kai thn ypoqetikh erwthsh ths xeiroterhs praktikhs na topoqethqw; Pisteyw antiqetws, qeloyme na pisteyoyme, oti h Toyrkia qa janadei ta pragmatika peristatika kai qa apoklimakwsei to sygkekrimeno qema. Kai oxi monon ayto, alla kai qa proxwrhsei se synergasia gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos twn laqrometa_astwn. Den mporw na akoloyqhsw th grammh skechs thn opoia eisagei h erwthsh sas.

FILHS: To toyrkiko diabhma eisagei ayth th grammh skechs kai oxi h erwthsh moy.

AQANASAKHS: Ekana mia parathrhsh gia to toyrkiko diabhma kai edhlwsa oti h Ellada to aporriptei kathgorhmatika. Den mporw na katalabw giati prepei na synexisoyme s'ayth th grammh skechs me bash to toyrkiko diabhma to opoio exoyme aporricei. Egw, en pash periptwsei, den mporw na synexisw s' ayth th grammh.

FILHS: Epomenh erwthsh se ena paremferes qema: O k. Pagkalos, xqes, sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn sto Loyjemboyrgo, dhlwse oti den yparxei anagkh na prosfygei h Agkyra amesa sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs gia ta Imia, alla arkei na dhlwsei aplws oti qa paei sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio otan h idia krinei skopimo. Dhladh yparxei mia epanatopoqethsh ths ellhnikhs pleyras. Zhtame twra oxi emprakto deigma ek meroys ths Toyrkias, alla mia aplh dhlwsh proqeshs. Pws sxoliazei ayth th nea topoqethsh poy ginetai ek meroys toy k. Pagkaloy, h Kybernhsh;

AQANASAKHS: Me rwtate gi' ayto to qema kai sas apantw. Den sxoliazw tis topoqethseis genikws. Den eimai sxoliasths. Sas lew loipon: Ayto poy prokyptei kai apo ayth th dhlwsh anaferetai sto qema Toyrkia-Telwneiakh Enwsh. Anaferetai se ayto to qema. Kai anaferetai s' ayto to qema afoy prohgoymenws exoyme shmeiwsei `ai exei epishmanei kai o ypoyrgos twn Ejwterikwn - oti me ta gegonota sta nhsia Imia, h Toyrkia parabiase th synqhkh gia thn Telwneiakh Enwsh, prwton. Deyteron, oti me ayta ta dedomena, me ta dedomena ws exoyn shmera, oi sxeseis ths Toyrkias me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh den mporei na einai omales, den mporei na einai fysiologikes. Kai triton - erxomai sto shmeio to opoio lete _yto to opoio exei shmasia, se ayth th fash, einai h apodoxh apo thn Toyrkia oti edw exoyme na kanoyme me ena nomiko qema gia to opoio prepei na yparjei prosfygh se nomiko organo, sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs sthn periptwsh ayth. Ayth thn epishmh desmeysh apo thn Toyrkia qetei o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, ws apaitoymenh se o,ti afora thn sxesh Telwneiakh Enwsh-Toyrkia.

FILHS: Wstoso, kyrie ekproswpe, kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai o k. Pagkalos exoyn dhlwsei kat' epanalhch oti aparaithtos oros gia na yparjei apemplokh twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn einai prwton, na prosfygei h Toyrkia sth Xagh. Oxi na dhlwsei oti qa skefqei oti qa prosfygei. Na prosfygei. Zhtoysame emprakta deigmata.

AQANASAKHS: Sas ypenqymizw oti yphrje mia syzhthsh sto Symboylio twn Ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn kai exei yparjei kai ena koino keimeno sto opoio empainan ta qemata se o,ti afora thn apodesmeysh twn xrhmatodotikwn prwtokollwn kai thn poreia ths Telwneiakhs Enwshs. Ekei, loipon, legame -kai leme - tria apla kai aytonohta pragmata kai me bash ayta topoqeteitai kai o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, apo tis dhlwseis tis opoies blepw. Legame prwton, oti prepei na apodexqei h Toyrkia oti den mporei na yparxei xrhsh bias h apeilh xrhshs bias. Legame deyteron, oti prepei na yparjei dhlwsh gia to sebasmo twn Synqhkwn kai toy Dieqnoys Nomoy. Kai legame triton, oti opoios exei amfisbhthseis prepei tis amfisbhthseis toy aytes, anti gia thn prosfygh sth bia kai thn apeilh xrhshs bias, na tis odhgei se ena nomiko organo. Ayto htan to plaisio poy eixe diamorfwqei kai sto Symboylio twn dekapente ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn. Me bash ayto to plaisio - to opoio qymaste oti h Toyrkia to eixe arnhqei, enw perilambanei apolytws aytonohta pragmata kata thn apoch mas - pisteyw oti topoqeteitai kai o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Kyrie ekproswpe, ean h Toyrkia dhlwsei oti skeptetai na prosfygei sth Xagh, h ellhnikh kybernhsh einai etoimh na proxwrhsei sto deytero bhma ths diadikasias "bhma pros bhma"...;

AQANASAKHS: Einai allo ayto k. Mpogiopoyle. Ej oswn antilambanoLai, yparxei ena skelos poy afora th sxesh Telwneiakh Enwsh_oyrkia kai thn emplokh poy yparxei ayth th stigmh meta ta gegonota sta nhsia Imia kai yparxei ena allo qema poy afora tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis yparxoyn oi protaseis ths Kybernhshs poy aforoyn th "bhma pros bhma" proseggish. Ekei exoyme pei oti to ena qema prepei na oloklhrwne"ai gia na phgainoyme sto epomeno. Einai nomizw dyo, oxi apolytws diakrita, alla dyo diaforetika epipeda se ayta ta qemata.

MPERMPERAKHS: Na rwthsw ep' aytoy.

AQANASAKHS: Oriste o k. Mpermperakhs ws exwn eidiko endiaferon.

MPERMPERAKHS: Kyrie ekproswpe, h epifylajh ths Elladas sto programma MENTA qa synexisei na yfistatai asxeta me thn poreia ths Telwneiakhs Enwshs;

AQANASAKHS: H epifylajh mas oson afora to programma MENTA, k. Mpermperakh, exei teqei gia alloys logoys. Kai prin apo ta gegonota sta nhsia Imia. To gnwrizete ayto poly kala. O Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ejhghse xqes analytika toys oroys oi opoioi sxetizo_tai me qesmika zhthmata toy programmatos MENTA, opws p.x. to ean h anastolh ths xrhmatodothshs me bash krithria poy aforoyn ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata qa ginetai me eidikh pleiochfia, opws proteinoyme emeis h me omofwnia opws proteinei p.x. h Bretania. Alla kai me alla poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn katanomh twn xrhmatodothsewn, k.lp. Einai ena qema poy proyphrxe kai exei to diko toy plaisio gia epilysh.

KACAMPELHS: Qelw na epanelqw se mia prohgoymenh erwthsh kai na zhthsw na mas dieykrinisete, giati eipate polla...

AQANASAKHS: Poy eipa polla;

KACAMPELHS: Sthn erwthsh gia tis ekloges.

AQANASAKHS: Den nomizw oti eipa polla.

KACAMPELHS: Yparxei qema epispeyshs eklogwn h oxi;

AQANASAKHS: Prokyptei apo to reportaz to diko sas kati tetoio; An einai dynaton!!! Oles oi dhlwseis apo thn pleyra ths kybernhChs anaferontai sthn tetraetia. Apanthse plhrws o kybernhtikos ekproswpos, xqes. Den antilambanomai giati epanerxetai to qema.

KACAMPELHS: Epanerxomai gia na rwthsw ypo thn eyqynh poioy, tote, sthn plhrwmenh diafhmish stoys NEW YORK TIMES thn hmera ths episkechs toy k. Shmith sthn Oyasigktwn, anaferetai oti qa mporoysan oi ekloges na diejaxqoyn kai nwritera apo to telos ths tetraetias;

AQANASAKHS: Apodidete to xarakthrismo "plhrwmenh diafhmish" apo thn Kybernhsh...

KACAMPELHS: Den ton apodidw egw.

AQANASAKHS: Ena xarakthrismo o opoios den einai akribhs. O xarakthrismos "plhrwmenh diafhmish" apo thn Kybernhsh den einai akribhs. H Kybernhsh den exei emplokh me to periexomeno kai me ta sygkekrimena malista shmeia, ta opoia den einai symfwna me tis topoqethseis ths, opws antilambaneste. To Ypoyrgeio Typoy, gia paradeigma, den exei emplokh. Ej oswn gnwrizw, kai to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias, me to opoio egine mia sxetikh diereynhsh, epishs. To idio to dhmosieyma apodidei ta keimena epwnyma. Nomizw oti to onoma toy syntakth einai Biktwr Goywlter, an qymamai kala, kai anaferetai sto dhmosieyma.Ean h kataxwrhsh ayth organwqhke apo to grafeio ths efhmeridas me thn proselkysh diafhmisewn twn forewn poy to synodeyoyn, ayto einai ena qema. Alla den qa dexomoyna pote th diatypwsh "plhrwmenh kataxwrhsh apo thn Kybernhsh", ta keimena ths opoias ekfrazoyn thn Kybernhsh. H Kybernhsh ekfrazetai me tis dhlwseis ths.

KACAMPELHS: Tote, efoson einai periploko to qema, ejhghste mas poios exei katabalei ta xrhmata.

AQANASAKHS: Toylaxiston oi diafhmizomenoi, mporw na ypoqesw, dioti blepw tis diafhmiseis toys.

KACAMPELHS: Ellhnikes kratikes trapezes dhladh. Ionikh, Empori`h...

AQANASAKHS: Synexiste.

KACAMPELHS: Rwtaw: Poios exei katabalei ta xrhmata;

AQANASAKHS: Kanate thn erwthsh ayth kai apanthsa.

KACAMPELHS: Poios;

AQANASAKHS: Apanthsa.

KACAMPELHS:Oi diafhmizomenoi, k. ekproswpe, einai ellhnikes kratikes trapezes.

AQANASAKHS: Wraia. Ti qelete; Na kanw to diafhmistiko project twn trapezwn;

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Exete kapoia sygkekrimena shmeia ...

AQANASAKHS: Ma sas eipa.

FILHS: Ti mas eipate;

AQANASAKHS: Sas parakalw. Ean den prosexate...

FILHS: Prosexame poly kala. Kai rwtoyme: Se poia sygkekrimena qemata ws kybernhsh exete epifylajeis h antirrhseis s' ayta poy anaferei to dhmosieyma.

AQANASAKHS: Kyrie Filh, kakws mpainw se epejhghsh. Ta palaia eth twn sygkroysewn mas sta amfiqeatra exoyn parelqei, fey, anepistrepti. Kanw, loipon, mia epejhghsh, par' oti den to synhqizw, kai qa sas parapemcw sto grapto keimeno ths apomagnhto-wnhshs, sth synexeia. O k. Kacampelhs jekinhse syndeontas to qema me thn prohgoymenh erwthsh, an qymamai kala, poy aforoyse prowres ekloges. Yphrxe enas ryqmos s' ayto to dialogo kai mia synexeia. Teleia epi toy qematos aytoy.

MIXAHL:Eipate th frash "toylaxiston oi diafhmizomenoi qa prepei na katebalan kapoia xrhmata". Kai qelw na rwthsw: Oi kratikes trapezes den elegxontai apo thn Kybernhsh gia to ti plhrwnoyn gia na kataxwrhqei kati kapoy; Den rwtoyntai ti plhrwnoyn;

AQANASAKHS: Den yphrje tetoia diadikasia, k. Mixahl. Na to ereynhsoyme kai na sas pw otan exw kati perissotero.

KACAMPELHS: Sygnwmh, mas lete oti o k. Karatzas, o dioikhths ths Eqnikhs, plhrwse keimeno to opoio leei oti se plhrh antiqesh me ton Andrea Papandreoy, ton k. Shmith...

AQANASAKHS: To keimeno to exw diabasei k. Kacampelh. Den sas eipa tipota, poios plhrwse, poios den plhrwse. Eipa: ektimw oti oi diafhmizomenoi qa exoyn plhrwsei to kostos twn diafhmisewn toys. Exete kammia plhroforia oti mporei na mphkan oi diafhmiseis dwrean;

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Einai safes gia ton aplo anagnwsth, oti olo einai diafhmistiko. To leei sthn prometwpida...

AQANASAKHS: O,ti htan loipon na pw gia to qema ayto, to exw pei. Qewrw oti exw apanthsei oloklhrwmena sta qemata ta opoia qesate. Ean yparxoyn alles ekkremothtes qa to epanaferete, qa exoyme diereynhsei kai qa sas dwsoyme kai alles apanthseis, me thn elpida oti kapote qa sas ikanopoihsoyme.

KACAMPELHS: Qelete na peite oti qa kanete ereyna gia to poios exei plhrwsei;

AQANASAKHS: Exw pei ayta poy eipa. Den epanerxomai sto qema ayto.

GARGALAKOS: Epeidh otan anaferqhkate sta aitia ths ptwshs toy elikopteroy eipate oti kyria aitia den htan h mhxanikh blabh, apokleiei to porisma entelws thn ekdoxh me kapoio texniko tropo na pagideythke to hlektroniko systhma toy elikopteroy;

AQANASAKHS: Den yparxei tetoio qema se osa exw dei ews twra. Den yparxei. Sas diabasa akribws to symperasma. Exei doqei sth dhmosiothta h synoch. Exoyn th dynatothta oi politikoi arxhgoi na doyn to plhres keimeno toy porismatos. Den exw tetoia pragmata opws ayta poy rwtate. Antilambanesqe oti an eixa tetoia pragmata to qema qa eixe alles diastaseis.

MOYRTZHS: Apokleietai na ofeiletai se anqrwpino laqos, eipate...

AQANASAKHS: Den eipa ayto. Eipa epeidh akoysa sta radiofwna na apodidetai - ypoqetw ej epagwghs - rhta se anqrwpino laqos, oti h diatypwsh ayth den yparxei s' ayto poy diabazw. Ayto sas eipa.

MAYROS: Mporeite na mas peite to onoma toy nomikoy poy qa ekproswphsei thn Ellada sthn koinh epitroph ths Boylhs kai ths Geroysias twn HPA...

AQANASAKHS: Na sas parakalesw na to zhthsete apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn; Thn idia diadikasia qa prepei na kanw ki egw.

MAYROS: Gia poio logo dexetai h Ellada na ekproswpeitai se ena atypo, estw, organo opoy ws ekproswpos stis ypoqeseis ths moysoylmanikhs meionothtas emfanizetai enas Toyrkos;

AQANASAKHS: To ejantlhsame to qema ayto xqes, k.Mayro. Milhsa gi' ayto to qema edw, sth synexeia ekdoqhkan anakoinwseis ths antipoliteyshs, doqhke kai mia allh analytikh apanthsh apo ton ypoyrgo k. Reppa, den nomizw oti yparxei parapera bash poy na prosqesei kati kainoyrgio stis ekaterwqen qeseis. Sas eyxaristw.