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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 5.4.96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

KIAOS: Ti shmainei otan lete "elpizoyme ola na pane kala";

REPPAS: Elpizoyme oti, logw ths proetoimasias poy exei ginei kai pisteyw oti einai se ychlo epipedo, h proetoimasia ayth qa brei antapokrish, giati bebaiws ena apotelesma gia na einai qetiko proapaitei th syneisfora sthn prospaqeia kai ths allhs pleyras poy symmetexei sthn prospaqeia ayth.

SKOYRHS: Poio apotelesma...;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei k. Skoyrh, polles fores s'ayto to qema.

KIAOS: Epanalambanw ta logia sas: "elpizw na pame kala"...

REPPAS: Wraia: Eimaste bebaioi oti qa pame kala, an ayto sas prokalei kapoio problhma h an qewreite oti exei kapoio politiko nohma h shmasia ayto poy eipa. Den exei kanena politiko nohma.

KIAOS: H pepoiqhsh sas oti ola qa pane kala, poy sthrizetai;

REPPAS: Pisteyoyme akradanta oti exoyme swstes qeseis. Exoyme ergasqei katallhla wste oi qeseis aytes, me thn epixeirhmatologia mas, na anadeixqoyn kai telikws na ginoyn apodektes apo oloys ekeinoys oi opoioi qa ginoyn koinwnoi twn qesewn aytwn. Qewroyme, loipon, pws h episkech toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths Ellhnikhs Antiproswpeias stis HPA einai mia kalh eykairia wste na ginoyn stis leptomereies toys katanohtes oi qeseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs apo ton k. Klinton kai toys synergates toy kai to apotelesma poy qa prokycei na einai wfelimo kai gia tis dyo pleyres. Einai kati poy epidiwkoyme kai elpizoyme kai pisteyoyme oti qa petyxoyme.

MIXAHL: Xqes, kanate sxetikes dhlwseis gia ta kazino. Qelw omws na proxwrhsw gia kati poy dhmosieyetai shmera ston Typo, oti meleta h Kybernhsh th leitoyrgia enos mono kazino sthn eyryterh perioxh ths Attikhs to opoio, meta apo kapoio xroniko diasthma, mporei na metaferqei se allo shmeio apo to arxiko;

REPPAS: H erwthsh sas poia einai;

MIXAHL: An to ejetazei ayto h Kybernhsh.

REPPAS: Ma, xqes syzhthsame leptomerestata gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Malista, milhsa peri "kazinologias". Mh metaferoyme thn "kazinologia" apo mera se mera.

MIXAHL: Sas parakalw, epanerxomai shmera.

REPPAS: Ma, jerete para poly kala oti hmoyn leptomerhs kai safhs sthn apanthsh moy. Eipa oti an doqei mia adeia, h adeia ayth -sas apantw- qa afora to kazino ths Parnhqas, giati hdh leitoyrgei ena kazino. Efoson miloyme gia to kazino ths Parnhqas, sto plaisio ayths ths adeias, qa yparxei h dynatothta metaforas toy se allo meros ths Attikhs. Ayto problepotan kai apo thn prokhryjh h opoia exei ginei gia to kazino ths Parnhqas, opoy edideto h dynatothta metaforas se allo meros sthn perioxh ths Aqhnas.

KIAOS: Dhladh, gia na phgainoyn pio eykola na paizoyn;

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena qema -epanalambanw kai pali- gia to opoio den yparxei telikh apofash. To qema qa xeirisqei h Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs Basw Papandreoy. Apanthsa s'ayta ta qemata leptomerws xqes.

SOYGLERHS: Nai, alla otan h Kybernhsh, omws, antimetwpizei to qema toso sobara, me dyo synedriaseis ths...

REPPAS: Poly sobara to antimetwpizei, giati einai sobaro qema. Asfalws einai sobaro qema. Kai emeis to diejhlqame xqes me mia syzhthsh, h opoia pisteyw oti htan leptomerestath. Dhladh, ta 2/3 ths xqesinhs syzhthshs mas aforoysan ayto to qema. Ayto deixnei oti einai ena sobaro qema. Den antilegw s'ayto.

MIXAHL: Oi apanthseis sas einai gnwstes. Sas rwthsa giati shmera synexizontai ta idia se dhmosieymata se polles efhmerides. Gi'ayto epanhlqa...

REPPAS: Dhmosieymata yparxoyn epi pollwn qematwn. H Kybernhsh den parakoloyqei ta dhmosieymata. Qa elega oti ta dhmosieymata prepei na parakoloyqoyn tis apofaseis kai tis drasthriothtes ths Kybernhshs kai twn allwn organwn toy dhmosioy bioy. Ayto den ginetai pantote.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: H problech ayth poy yparxei gia metafora toy kazino se allo shmeio ths Attikhs, ypokeitai ston periorismo na einai kai ayto ektos ths A kai B Perifereias h mporei na metaferqei kai pros to kentro;

REPPAS: Einai apofash ths Kybernhshs opoiodhpote kazino leitoyrghsei sthn Attikh na exei edra h opoia qa eyrisketai ektos ths meizonos perioxhs ths prwteyoysas. Eipa xarakthristi- ka: Ektos twn gnwstwn sas A kai B eklogikwn perifereiwn.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se mia anakoinwsh ths h Nea Dhmokratia, gia to nomo peri eyqynhs Ypoyrgwn kathgorei thn Kybernhsh oti, anti na ton katasthsei ton nomo aysthrotero, ton kanei epieikestero. Se ti apoblepei ayth h allagh;

REPPAS: O nomos den einai epieikesteros gia toys politikoys, an ayto ennoeite. Isa-isa prepei na sas pw oti o nomos aytos diasfalizei thn omalh leitoyrgia twn koinoboyleytikwn qesmwn, to dikaiwma twn politikwn na exoyn aperioristo to dikaiwma ths kata syneidhsh ekfrashs ths gnwmhs toys kai bebaiws, diasfalizei kai to dhmosio bio apo prajeis ajiopoines tis opoies mporei na telesoyn Ellhnes politikoi. Na eiste sigoyros oti, otan erqei h wra na syzhthqei to nomosxedio ayto sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs, qa fanei oti exei ryqmiseis tetoies, oi opoies diasfalizoyn apolytws toys stoxoys gia toys opoioys exei ayto to nomosxedio diatypwqei kai eisagetai pros syzhthsh syntomws.

KIAOS: O tritos logos poy eipate poy diasfalizei, poios htan;

REPPAS: Eipa k. Kiao: Polla pragmata diasfalizei. Kai diasfalizei kai alla ta opoia den eipa. Yparxoyn kapoies diaforopoihseis se orismena qemata, an qelete na syzhthsoyme leptomerws, sto qema twn symmetoxwn, sto qema ths kathgoroysas arxhs. Sas qewrw arketa kaloys gnwstes aytwn twn qematwn. Mh mpoyme se leptomereies. Einai qemata eidikoy reportaz. An qelete na to kanoyme.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Sxetikws me to allo nomosxedio poy syzhthqhke xqes: Me poio skeptiko h Kybernhsh proxwrhse sthn peraiterw meiwsh ths isobias kaqeirjhs apo 18 se 16 eth twra; Kai an sta 16 eth ...

REPPAS: Poio nomosxedio syzhthqhke; Peri poioy qematos;

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ennow to nomosxedio gia thn aposymforhsh twn fylakwn poy prowqei to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs.

REPPAS: Sto plaisio twn allagwn poy apofasizei h Kybernhsh gia to swfronistiko systhma, metajy twn allwn, gia thn aposymforhsh twn fylakwn, me bash ta stoixeia ta opoia yparxoyn, probainei se ryqmiseis prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei ena problhma, to opoio einai koinws apodekto oti yparxei. Kai to ktiriako problhma einai poly shmantiko -to gnwrizete- kai h symforhsh poy yparxei stis fylakes apo profylakismenoys einai para poly megalo problhma. Ayta, omws, einai qemata ta opoia -epanalambanw kai pali- me sygkekrimena stoixeia kai me meletes leptomereis poy exoyn ginei, ta ejeqese o armodios Ypoyrgos, egine syzhthsh ektetamenh kai oi ryqmiseis, pisteyw oti apotelesmatika antimetwpizoyn to problhma poy diapistwnoyme oti yparxei.

MIXAHL: Otan epi Oikoymenikhs Kybernhshs den eixe qespistei h proswpokrathsh, o nyn Prwqypoyrgos eixe symfwnhsei. Ek twn ysterwn, omws, epanhlqe to qema.

REPPAS: Otan eixe qesmoqethqei h proswpokrathsh, eipate;

MIXAHL: Eixe ginei enas nomos kai eipan na mhn yparxei proswpokrathsh...

REPPAS: Poios nomos; Gnwrizete pote egine o nomos aytos;

MIXAHL: Epi Oikoymenikhs. Tote loipon epi ypoyrgias toy k. Samara... Sth synexeia ...

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh Tzannetakh.

MIXAHL: Nai. To qema einai to ejhs twra: Exei epanelqei ...

REPPAS: Poia einai h erwthsh;

MIXAHL: H erwthsh einai sygkekrimenh: Protiqeste na katarghsete twra thn proswpokrathsh ws Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Otan yparjei apofash gia sygkekrimena qemata, qa sas ginei gnwsth k. Mixahl. Mh mpainoyme se toso eidika qemata...

KOGIANNHS: Mpainoyme se qemata allwn synadelfwn.

REPPAS: Ayta einai qemata poy prepei esas na apasxolhsoyn k. Kogiannh, gia toys kanones, oi opoioi prepei na diepoyn th leitoyrgia mas edw. An qelete na syzhthsoyme kai gi'ayto to qema. Alla den einai swsto na ejaggellw egw ti qa kanei h Kybernhsh sto qema ths proswpokrathshs.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, fainetai oti synexizontai oi dienejeis metajy Ypoyrgwn. Xqes o k. Pagkalos eipe oti orismenoi apo to PASOK oneireyontai na ginoyn arxhgoi kommatiwn toy PASOK, apantwntas profanws se dhlwseis synadelfwn toy kai se kritikh poy toy ginetai gia toys xeirismoys toy sthn politikh toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Metaferetai mia katastash apo to komma sthn Kybernhsh kai apo thn Kybernhsh sto komma.

REPPAS: Otan qetete erwthseis, polla pragmata ta qewreite profanh, enw kaqe allo para profanh einai. Qewreite oti profanws apantaei se kapoion allon o k. Pagkalos. O k. Pagkalos ejeqese tis apoceis toy. Polloi ekqetoyn tis apoceis toys. To shmantiko einai -kai parakalw se ayto na meinoyme- oti oi apoceis syntiqentai. Yparxei mia apofash kybernhtikh kai basei ayths ths apofashs askeitai h kybernhtikh politikh se oloys toys tomeis. Ayto einai poy exei shmasia.

BAREMENOS: En prokeimenw, pws syntiqentai oi apoceis; Leei oti epidiwkoyn na ginoyn arxhgoi mikrwn kommatwn.

REPPAS: Nomizw oti syntiqentai oi filodojies sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Oi filodojies aytes kanoyn oloys na exoyn roloys shmantikoys se ena megalo komma.

KIAOS: Dhladh, otan lete "syntiqentai oi filodojies", na to "piasoyme" iatrika to qema, mpainoyn se ena kazani mesa, ti ginetai;

REPPAS: Mia kai milhsame gia synqesh apocewn, o k. Zerbonikolakhs proetaje tis filodojies...

KIAOS: Allo oi apoceis.

REPPAS: Kai lew, loipon, oti sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh oi filodojies, nomizw, ikanopoioyntai me to na exoyn shmantiko rolo oi politikoi paragontes se ena komma to opoio einai isxyro kai kybernaei -epanalambanw kai pali- th megalyterh periodo, sto diasthma ayto toy istorikoy kykloy meta th metapoliteysh.

KARELIAS: Den eipe ayto, me sygxwreite k. Ypoyrge.

REPPAS: Parakalw. Sygkekrimena kante mia erwthsh, na sas apanthsw sygkekrimena.

KARELIAS: O k. Pagkalos eipe to akribws antiqeto apo ayto poy lete eseis: Oti "yparxoyn kapoioi, oi opoioi filodojoyn na ginoyn arxhgoi enos mikroy kommatos". Gnwrizete kanenan eseis;

REPPAS: Sas lew loipon k. Karelia, oti telikws kai oi filodojies aytes oi diaforetikes odhgoyntai se mia synqesh kai yparxoyn oloi se ena komma to opoio einai megalo kai ikanopoiei th filodojia toys, me to na paizoyn hgetiko rolo s'ena megalo komma. Opws oi apoceis syntiqentai kai yparxei telikh apofash, etsi yparxei kai synqesh filodojiwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epomenws tis anagnwrizete kai tis blepete kai eseis aytes tis filodojies.

REPPAS: Egw gnwrizw to apotelesma, to opoio einai ena pragmatiko gegonos. Eseis qetete erwthseis me bash ypoqeseis. Egw tetoia logika almata den kanw.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ma, to pairnete ws dedomeno. Den to phrate ws dedomeno;

REPPAS: Ma egw pairnw dedomeno to apotelesma poy yparxei. Oti yparxei ena megalo komma me epifaneis paragontes kommatika stelexh hgetika, ta opoia synyparxoyn kai dinoyn th dynatothta se ayto to komma na einai pleiochfiko komma epi seira etwn sthn ellhnikh koinwnia. Ayto einai to shmantiko. Alla, anti na meinoyme se ayto to pragmatiko gegonos, blepw oti eseis areskesqe na phgainoyme se ypoqeseis.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Oxi, eseis proxwrhsate.

KARELIAS: O k. Pagkalos, oxi emeis. Emeis den endiaferomaste na ginoyme arxhgoi.

REPPAS: Nomizw oti oloi endiaferomaste gia na yparxei staqerothta kai omalos dhmokrati- kos bios. Kai ayto ejasfalizetai.

KIAOS: Telikws me th synqesh twn filodojiwn exoyme diafores synistwses poy fqanoyn sth synistamenh poy legetai Shmiths;

REPPAS: Egw pisteyw oti h synistamenh olwn einai oi arxes, oi opoies apo to Katastatiko mas kai tis Diakhryjeis mas exoyn diatypwqei. Kai einai oi tropoi h oi kanones leitoyrgias poy epishs apo to Katastatiko problepontai, wste na desmeyoyn oloys se mia koinh poreia. Ayth einai h synistamenh mas...

KIAOS: Den moy apanthsate.

REPPAS: Oi arxes mas kai oi katastatikes leitoyrgies oi opoies mas desmeyoyn. Ayth einai h koinh synistamenh. Oi opoies desmeyseis exoyn odhghsei se sygkekrimena -se epipedo proswpwn- apotelesmata. Exoyn apokrystallwqei oi epiloges mas, kaqe fora, kai se epipedo proswpwn. Anadeiknyoyn ton Proedro mas, anadeiknyoyn ton Prwqypoyrgo, anadeiknyoyn ta melh toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy k.o.k.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, jerete an dhmioyrgei problhma endokybernhtiko h katarghsh twn Perifereiakwn Dieyqyntwn;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na exei dhmioyrghsei problhma, doqentos oti yparxei apofash ths Kybernhshs, h opoia exei lhfqei omofwnws. Kai prepei na sas pw oti to sygkekrimeno qema exei thn egkrish twn armodiwn Ypoyrgwn, wste na ylopoihqei h apofash poy exei lhfqei se epipedo kybernhtikwn organwn.

SOYGLERHS: Den diafwnei o k. Tsoxatzopoylos;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na diafwnei o k. Tsoxatzopoylos. Exei ypogracei, malista, sxetikh tropologia basei ths opoias problepetai h katarghsh twn Perifereiakwn Dieyqyntwn kai h metafora twn armodiothtwn toys stoys airetoys Nomarxes.

SKOYRHS: Sernetai edw kai kairo ena qema antiparaqeshs metajy twn Ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn kai Amynhs. Eseis den to paradexesqe, alla ayto yfistatai. Kai dhmioyrgei problhmata. Qa hqela na rwthsw: Prokeitai na synedriasei to KYSEA -opws exei zhthsei o k. Arsenhs- gia na ginei syzhthsh gi'ayta ta qemata;

REPPAS: Kyrie Skoyrh, exw kanei mia parathrhsh, sxolio -an qelete- kai alles fores. Nomizw oti einai yperboliko h ws ek perissoy, an qelete, to na probainoyme sth diatypwsh erwthsewn, afoy prohgoymenws exoyme kanei mia mikrh, estw, alla opwsdhpote exoyme kanei mia analysh. Loipon, den problepetai, den yparxei apofash gia na synedriasei thn erxomenh periodo to KYSEA. Asfalws, kapoia stigmh qa synedriasei. Ayth thn wra den yparxei apofash gia na synedriasei to KYSEA. Den einai stis proqeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, den to exei apofasisei. Den to exei zhthsei kapoios, wste na teqei ypo thn krish toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai na lhfqei telikh apofash. Ara, ayth thn wra poy syzhtoyme den yparxei anakoinwsh peri synedriashs toy KYSEA.

SKOYRHS: Ma, to exei zhthsei o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas.

REPPAS: Ayth thn wra poy syzhtoyme, loipon, den yparxei apofash peri synedriashs toy KYSEA.

KARELIAS: Exete na peite kati gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy sto EUROPEAN, giati o k. Pagkalos qetei orismenoys oroys gia dialogo me thn Toyrkia, gia kapoia symfwnia, estw se alla qemata;

REPPAS: Oxi, o k. Pagkalos epanalambanei tis gnwstes ellhnikes qeseis. Epeidh tyxainei na exw to apomagnhtofwnhmeno keimeno, sas lew oti epanalambanei epakribws tis qeseis, oi opoies sas einai gnwstes.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Qa ginei briefing thn erxomenh ebdomada;

REPPAS: Qa to doyme, qa enhmerwqeite egkairws.
Sas eyxaristw poly.