BRIEFING 27-03-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 27/3/96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

DHMOSIOGRAFOI(xaritologwntas): Sth deyterh...

REPPAS: Mh qelete na eiste deyteroi. Na qelete na eiste prwtoi. Opws eiste sth dhmosiogra- fia.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Esontai oi esxatoi prwtoi...

REPPAS: Alla, prokeimenoy na gineis prwtos, prepei na gineis esxatos k. Kwnstantinidh; Daidalwdhs aytos o dromos kai oligo "Makiabelikh" ayth h politikh. Loipon, as mpoyme sth syzhthsh mas.

KOGIANNHS: Poia qemata syzhthse o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Nails;

REPPAS: O k. Nails syzhthse me ton k. Prwqypoyrgo, kata th synanthsh toys, qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn episkech toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy stis HPA thn epomenh periodo. Sas einai gnwsto ayto. Prepei na sas pw oti eteqh kai to qema to opoio exei prokycei sxetika me to aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy. O k. Prwqypoyrgos ejefrase th qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs oti prepei na arqei h anakoinwsh h opoia exei ekdoqei, giati h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh pisteyei akradantws oti to aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy brisketai se kalo epipedo apo apoch thrhshs twn synqhkwn asfaleias gia to tajidiwtiko koino. Alla, bebaiws, to megalo meros ths syzhthshs eixe na kanei me thn episkech toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy stis HPA kai thn episkech, bebaiws, ths kas Klinton sthn Aqhna, h opoia pragmatopoieitai apo ayrio kiolas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poy qa prosgeiwqei to aeroplano ths kas Klinton;

REPPAS: Sto aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy, giati den yparxei kanenas kindynos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den fobatai h ka Klinton;

REPPAS: Profanws, oxi. H ka Klinton einai ejypnh gynaika.

KIAOS: Dhladh o Ypoyrgos Metaforwn twn HPA den einai ejypnos;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti o Ypoyrgos Metaforwn twn HPA einai o Ypoyrgos o opoios ekfrazei thn politikh gia to sygkekrimeno qema kai pisteyw oti h politikh ayth twn HPA prepei na allajei. Giati ayto ypagoreyetai apo to dikaio twn qesewn poy exei ekfrasei to Ellhniko Ypoyrgeio poy exei armodiothta gia to aerodromio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H ka Xilari jerei thn odhgia;

REPPAS: Den eimai ekproswpos ths kas Klinton gia na milw gia logariasmo ths. Den gnwrizw, ti gnwrizei, wste na sas enhmerwsw. Nomizw oti otan erqei kai exete th dynatothta na milhsete mazi ths, k. Stamatopoyle, qa parete th sxetikh plhroforia apo prwto xeri. Kai malista gynaikeio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws prosgeiwqei alloy;

REPPAS: Oxi, den qa prosgeiwqei alloy. To programma problepei prosgeiwsh sto aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy, kanonika, opws ej arxhs eixe programmatisqei.

SOYGLERHS: Qelw na rwthsw an h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh anagnwrizei qetika stoixeia stis dhlwseis toy Toyrkoy Prwqypoyrgoy Gilmaz.

REPPAS: Apanthsa xqes leptomerestata, k. Soyglerh. Den hsastan parwn xqes. Qewrw pws an kapoioi blepoyn qetika stoixeia stis dhlwseis kai stoys logoys toy k. Gilmaz, qa eprepe na anamenoyn, logikws, na ekfrastoyn kata plhrh antistoixia kai stis prajeis ths Toyrkias. H Toyrkia aytoys toys logoys, omws, den dexqhke na toys ypogracei kai na sfragisei etsi dia ths ypografhs ths, to egkyro twn logwn ths. Afoy h qesh thn opoia thrhse enocei toy Symboylioy Syndeshs htan qesh arnhtikh pros ena keimeno sto opoio symfwnhsan kai oi dekapente xwres - melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, pragma to opoio kalypte apolyta tis ellhnikes qeseis. Kai eipa xarakthristika, xqes, oti ayto to "qayma" den krathse oyte treis hmeres, opws synhqws leme sthn Ellada. Den krathse oyte mia mera to qema twn dhlwsewn, stis opoies kapoio "qayma" kapoioi dieblecan.

KOGIANNHS: Syzhthqhkan oi teleytaies ejelijeis stis ellhno-toyrkikes sxeseis;

REPPAS: Oxi, den egine syzhthsh ep' aytoy toy qematos. Sas eipa poio htan to antikeimeno ths syzhthshs poy eixe o k. Prwqypoyrgos me ton Presby twn HPA.

MIXAHL: H ka Klinton edw qa erqei mono gia na parastei sthn afh ths flogas; Kai an oxi me poioys paragontes qa synanthqei; Me ton Prwqypoyrgo...;

REPPAS: H ka Klinton einai proskeklhmenh na parastei stis ekdhlwseis poy ginontai me aformh thn afh ths Olympiakhs Flogas. Kai nomizw oti qa exei th dynatothta na episkefqei topoys arxaiologikoy endiaferontos. Ektos apo thn Olympia, qa episkefqei kai toys Delfoys. Kai, bebaiws, qa episkefqei ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo.

GARGALAKOS: Mhpws gnwrizete ean o Prwqypoyrgos exei taxqei yper ths apochs na anablhqei to Synedrio toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Yparxei apofash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK gia th diejagwgh toy Synedrioy. O k. Prwqypoyrgos den exei ekfrasei qesh, giati o k. Prwqypoyrgos, ws melos ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, symmeteixe se ekeinh th synedriash.

MARDAS: O Prwqypoyrgos syndyazei thn pragmatopoihsh toy tajidioy toy sto Leyko Oiko me thn arsh ths odhgias gia to aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy;

REPPAS: Qa prepei na dieykrinisoyme oti den prokeitai peri odhgias. Einai mia anakoinwsh.

MARDAS: Nai.

REPPAS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos prokeitai na episkefqei to Leyko Oiko, basei programmatismenhs apo kairoy "atzentas". Etsi, loipon, h episkech ayth qa ginei kai ayto to opoio epidiwkei o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos me ayto to tajidi einai na probalei ta eqnika mas qemata kai na ejasfalisei th symfwnia kai ths Kybernhshs twn HPA sthn politikh mas. Peran toytoy, den qewroyme oti h ypoqesh poy exei prokycei sxetikws me to aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy einai ikanh na dyskolecei h na apotrecei tis prospaqeies poy prepei na katablhqoyn kai apo tis dyo pleyres gia mia akomh kalyterh katanohsh kai synergasia se epipeda ta opoia qeloyme - elpizw - kai oi dyo pleyres. Toylaxiston h ellhnikh pleyra sas diabebaiw oti to qelei.

MARDAS: Xqes o Ypoyrgos Amynas, o k. Arsenhs zhthse nees stratiwtikes symmaxies me to Iran, to Irak, Syria, Armenia... (den akoygetai)

REPPAS: Den zhthse, k. Marda, nees stratiwtikes symmaxies. Eipe o k. Arsenhs - kai menw mono s' ayto - oti h Ellada prepei na anaptyjei tis sxeseis ths me alles xwres, oi opoies exoyn apo thn apoch toy eqnikoy mas symferontos, endiaferon gia thn Ellada. Oi apoceis aytes ekfrazontai apo stelexh toy PASOK. Oi Ypoyrgoi, bebaiws, exoyn idiaiterws th dynatothta na tis diatypwsoyn sto pedio syzhthsewn toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy kai twn allwn kybernhtikwn organwn. O k. Arsenhs symmetexei se ayta ta organa kai exei th dynatothta kai ekei na anaptyjei tis apoceis toy.

MPERMPERAKHS: H akribhs diatypwsh toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynhs einai "prowqhsh newn amyntikwn symmaxiwn ejw apo tis paradosiakes, me xwres poy antimetwpizoyn paromoia problhmata ejaitias ths Toyrkias, opws Iran, Irak, Armenia, Syria kai Boylgaria". Einai ayto kybernhtikh politikh;

REPPAS: Kybernhtikh politikh einai akribws h anaptyjh sxesewn synergasias me oles tis xwres toy kosmoy, idiaiterws me xwres poy eyriskontai sthn perioxh h sthn eyryterh perioxh. Ma qeloyme sxeseis filias kai synergasias kai me thn Toyrkia. Giati sas kanei entypwsh poy qeloyme sxeseis filias kai synergasias kai me alles xwres poy eyriskontai sthn eyryterh perioxh; Asfalws tis qeloyme aytes tis sxeseis kai tis epidiwkoyme.

MPERMPERAKHS: Gia amyntikh symmaxia milaei o k. Arsenhs...

REPPAS: Otan yparxei mia sxesh stenhs synergasias, mporeis na syzhthseis apo ekei kai pera pws diabaqmizetai, pws ejelissetai kai anaptyssetai ayth h synergasia. Alla, asfalws h Ellada einai mia xwra poy ws paragwn staqerothtas kai asfaleias sthn perioxh, qelei thn anaptyjh kalwn sxesewn me oles tis xwres ths eyryterhs perioxhs.

KIAOS: O k. Arsenhs h allos Ypoyrgos ejefrase apoceis sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai aneptyje tis apoceis toy pros thn kateyqynsh ayth;

REPPAS: Oi syzhthseis poy exoyn ginei sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio den einai syzhthseis oi opoies aforoyn, me leptomerh anafora, mia tetoia qematologia. Sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph h se alla organa (sto KYSEA) oi syzhthseis oi opoies exoyn ginei, anaferontai sthn ejeidikeysh ths ejwterikhs mas politikhs kai asfalws, sthn epilogh twn diadikasiwn ekeinwn oi opoies thn ejwterikh mas politikh qa thn anadeijoyn. Qa thn katasthsoyn afenos gnwsth kai afeteroy qa enisxysoyn ta ereismata ths sto dieqnh xwro, wste na ginetai apodekth. H syzhthsh gia ta sygkekrimena qemata den exei ginei kai o k. Arsenhs den exei, kata ejeidikeymeno tropo, anaptyjei tetoies apoceis sta kybernhtika organa.

KIAOS: Ara, an moy epitrepete, apo ayto poy eipate mporw na symperanw oti prokeitai na ginei syzhthsh kai ep' aytwn twn qematwn h oxi;

REPPAS: Sta kybernhtika organa pantote prokeitai na ginei syzhthsh gia opoiodhpote qema.

KIAOS: Entajei ayto...

REPPAS: Gia opoiodhpote qema ginetai syzhthsh sta kybernhtika organa, efoson o k. Prwqypoyrgos se synennohsh me toys Ypoyrgoys katartizoyn mia "atzenta" syzhthsewn kai efoson bebaiws, oi Ypoyrgoi qewroyn oti qemata armodiothtas toys exoyn logo kai qesh na syzhthqoyn sta plaisia twn kybernhtikwn organwn. Den einai programmastismeno na ginei se kapoio apo ta kybernhtika organa poy qa synelqoyn prosexws. Alla einai kati to opoio kaneis den mporei na apokleisei. Ta kybernhtika organa syzhtoyn gia ola ta qemata.

KIAOS: Erwtw dioti eipate oti exoyn th dynatothta oi Ypoyrgoi...

REPPAS: Asfalws exoyn th dynatothta oi Ypoyrgoi. Den einai kainoyrgio qema ayto, otan symmetexeis se ena organo, na qeteis qemata poy qewreis oti exoyn endiaferon kai prepei na apasxolhsoyn to organo sto opoio symmetexeis.

FILHS: H Kybernhsh yioqetei th logikh twn ajonwn kata thn askhsh ejwterikhs politikhs sthn perioxh; Dhladh qewrei oti mporei na kanei pronomiakes symmaxies me kapoies xwres, apokleiontas kapoies alles, enantion kapoiwn allwn xwrwn sthn perioxh;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh, k. Filh, epidiwkei - epanalambanw kai pali - kales sxeseis, filikes sxeseis, sxeseis synergasias me oles tis xwres sthn perioxh. Oi sxeseis aytes, bebaiws, gia na einai oysiastikes kai na ejelissontai omala kai na anaptyssontai prepei na edrazontai se mia sterea bash poy den einai allh apo to Dieqnes Dikaio, to sebasmo ths dieqnoys ennomhs tajhs, to sebasmo twn synorwn, to sebasmo ths kaqe xwras kai twn kyriarxikwn dikaiwmatwn ths. Kai bebaiws, mia symperifora tetoia poy apodeiknyei sthn prajh oti oles oi pleyres epidiwkoyn kalh geitonia kai pragmatikh, oysiastikh synergasia.

FILHS: Otan omws o armodios Ypoyrgos gia thn Amyna, o k. Arsenhs, exei kata to parelqon akoloyqhsei thn politikh ths diplwmatias, th legomenh "stratiwtikh diplwmatia", h gnwmh oti qa anadeixqoyn nees amyntikes symmaxies ejw apo tis paradosiakes, (Eyrwpaikh Enwsh - NATO), me xwres poy antimetwpizoyn problhmata, ejaitias ths Toyrkias, ayto den einai mia epilogh politikhs ajonwn;

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, epanalambanw, oti h Ellada qelei thn anaptyjh filikwn sxesewn me oles tis xwres poy briskontai sthn eyryterh perioxh. Qeloyme kales sxeseis filias kai synergasias kai me thn Toyrkia. Arkei aytes oi sxeseis - epanalambanw kai pali - na edrazontai se kapoies arxes kai na diepontai apo kapoioys kanones. Ayto einai kati poly logiko kai h Ellada to epidiwkei staqera.

KARAKWSTAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mia dieykrinish hqela: Eipate oti kyrio antikeimeno ths episkechs toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Leyko Oiko einai h probolh twn eqnikwn mas qematwn. Parallhla, eipate oti to antikeimeno ths syzhthsews toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Nails htan en ocei toy tajidioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Leyko Oiko. Eipate oti den syzhthqhkan ta eqnika qemata. Pws einai dynaton, ef'oson to kyrio antikeimeno ths episkechs toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy sto Leyko Oiko einai h probolh twn eqnikwn mas qematwn;

REPPAS: Den eipa oti den syzhthqhkan ta eqnika qemata. Eipa, akribws, oti den egine idiaiterh kai ektetamenh syzhthsh panw stis sxeseis Ellados - Toyrkias. Ayth htan h erwthsh. Den anaferotan h erwthsh gia syzhthsh twn eqnikwn qematwn. Htan h erwthsh sxetikh me ta ellhno-toyrkika kai sas eipa oti den egine ektetamenh syzhthsh panw s'ayto to qema. Egine mia genikh syzhthsh gia ta eqnika qemata. Kai bebaiws oi syzhthseis aytes, opws gnwrizete, einai sxetikes me qemata diadikastika. Einai - qa elega - perissotero texnikoy xarakthra gia thn kalyterh proetoimasia kai ejelijh toy tajidioy, to opoio prokeitai na ginei stis Hnwmenes Politeies.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pws sxoliazete thn Ekqesh toy Di Roberto gia to Kypriako, thn opoia edwse malista kai sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh;

REPPAS: Prepei na sxoliasoyme qetika to oti yparxei endiaferon apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh dia toy apestalmenoy ths, toy ekproswpoy ths, toy k. Di Roberto gia to Kypriako qema. Qewroyme oti h Ekqesh ayth, h opoia aneptyxqh sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn, einai mia Ekqesh poy deixnei akribws pws to endiaferon ayto den einai mono frastiko. Kai eyxomaste na yparxei synexeia ayths ths prwtoboylias, wste, epiteloys, oi prwtoboylies na oloklhrwnontai kai na dinoyn sygkekrimena kai apta apotelesmata. Prokeimenoy na yparjei mia monimh kai dikaih lysh kai sto kypriako problhma, poy ekkremei epi tosa polla xronia, dystyxws.

ELENOPOYLOS: Ypo poia idiothta o k. Prwqypoyrgos dexqhke ton prwhn Ypoyrgo Ygeias k. Kremastino, kai poio to antikeimeno ths syzhthsews toys;

REPPAS: O k. Kremastinos exei zhthsei o idios, me dikh toy prwtoboylia, na episkefqei ton k. Prwqypoyrgo.

ELENOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizete to antikeimeno;

REPPAS: O k. Kremastinos exei zhthsei ayth th synanthsh, h opoia exei proswpiko xarakthra. Kai bebaiws o k. Kremastinos qa qesei to qema to opoio qewrei ekeinos oti prepei na qesei ston k. Prwqypoyrgo, apo ton opoio zhthse ayth th synanthsh.

KAKABAS: Tis teleytaies meres, kyrie Ypoyrge, akoygontai orismena peri eklogwn. Qelw na rwthsw, loipon, oso kai na fanei pepalaiwmeno h ektos topoy, an apasxolei thn Kybernhsh to endexomeno prosfyghs stis kalpes.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh den antimetwpizei tetoio endexomeno. H Kybernhsh exei strammenh thn prosoxh kai to endiaferon ths sto na antimetwpisei kai na epilysei ta problhmata poy antimetwpizei h ellhnikh koinwnia. Qewrei h Kybernhsh pws prepei na oloklhrwsei th qhteia ths, wste na exei ena qetiko ergo na paroysiasei ston ellhniko lao, stis ekloges toy 1997. Kai sth bash ayths ths qetikhs apotimhshs toy ergoy ths na kerdisei thn empistosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy gia mia nea kybernhtikh qhteia. Qema eklogwn den yfistatai.

MAYROS: Pws sxoliazei h Kybernhsh th xqesinh dhlwsh toy Toyrkoy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Gilmaz oti h Toyrkia qa anaqewrhsei th stash ths gia thn telwneiakh enwsh se synarthsh me th desmeysh poy qewreitai oti yparxei gia thn eisodo ths Kyproy sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh;

REPPAS: Den eqese tetoio qema o k. Gilmaz, ej oswn gnwrizw. Milhse gia nomika problhmata ta opoia prokyptoyn sthn ejelijh ths telwneiakhs syndeshs Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs - Toyrkias. Egw to mono poy exw na pw einai pws h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh edwse thn egkrish ths, to Martio toy 1995 sto na yparjei telwneiakh enwsh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs me thn Toyrkia kai h telwneiakh ayth enwsh qewroyme oti prepei na ejelixqei, ef' oson oi proypoqeseis oi opoies ej arxhs eixan teqei, throyntai ap' oles tis pleyres kai bebaiws kai apo thn Toyrkia.

MAYROS: Aytes oi nomikes synepeies poy ypainissetai sth dhlwsh toy o k. Gilmaz safestata anaferontai kai sto Kypriako.

REPPAS: Mporei na aforoyn thn eleyqerh diakinhsh proiontwn sthn Toyrkia. Na qewrei h Toyrkia oti prepei na parei mia prwtoboylia na "mplokarei" h na empodisei thn eisagwgh tetoiwn proiontwn sthn Toyrkia. Mporei. Ypoqetw. Den exei kanei mia safesterh diatypwsh. Sto qema ths Kyproy - afoy qetete thn erwthsh, moy dinete thn eykairia na pw - h qesh mas einai gnwsth. Eimaste ametakinhtoi. Den exei kammia sxesh to ena qema me to allo. Kai qewroyme oti meta apo tosa xronia prospaqeiwn, eilikrinwn h oxi - oi perissoteres apodeixqhkan oti den htan eilikrineis - prwtoboyliwn poy exoyn analhfqei apo diafores pleyres, prepei oloi epiteloys, na katanohsoyn pws den mporei na yfistatai to kaqestws toy Attila, s'ayth th gwnia ths Eyrwphs.

MAYROS: Milaw gia thn eisodo ths Kyproy kai ths Maltas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

REPPAS: H eisodos ths Kyproy einai desmeysh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Oydeis exei amfisbhthsei ayth th desmeysh na ginei h eisodos ayth me syzhthseis poy qa jekinhsoyn amesws meta to telos ths Diakybernhtikhs.

MAYROS: Prosfata, o k. Ban nten Mproyk to synedese. Gi'ayto rwtaw.

REPPAS: O k. Ban nten Mproyk einai Epitropos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai gnwrizei, asfalws, oti h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh exei desmeyqei, wste h entajh ths Kyproy sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh na proxwrhsei aproskopta, amesws meta th Diakybernhtikh. Kai oydeis mporei na empodisei aythn thn poreia gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Skandalidh, ti syzhta;

REPPAS: O k. Skandalidhs einai o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK. O k. Shmiths einai Prwqypoyrgos mias Kybernhshs h opoia sthrizetai apo ayto to politiko Kinhma. Logiko einai, na antallasoyn apoceis, na epikoinwnoyn kai na synergazontai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: En ocei Synedrioy;

REPPAS: Prokeitai na ginei, opws gnwrizete poly kala, to Eqniko Symboylio toy PASOK, stis arxes Aprilioy, thn prwth ebdomada toy Aprilioy. Nomizw oti oi syzhthseis toy k. Prwqypoyr- goy me to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs aforoyn qemata ta opoia exoyn na kanoyn me th leitoyrgia toy PASOK. Kai ayto einai kati poy brisketai sta plaisia twn synergasiwn poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos kai ta kommatika stelexh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa dei kai ton Proedro toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Exoyme pei oti ayto einai ena qema to opoio pantote einai anoixto. O k. Shmiths asfalws qa exei thn eykairia na episkefqei ton k. Papandreoy kai na syzhthsoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai qa syzhthsei kai to qema toy titloy toy kommatos;

REPPAS: Otan ginei h episkech, kyrie Stamatopoyle, qa gnwrizoyme kai ti qa syzhthsoyn. Otan den exei programmatisqei h hmeromhnia ths episkechs, mh qewreite oti einai eykolo na exei programmatisqei - einai anorqodojo, qa elega, paratypo na to zhtate kiolas - h qematologia ths syzhthshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa to qesei, dhladh, to qema toy titloy.

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, poio qema na qesei;

STAMATOPOYLOS: To qema toy titloy toy PASOK.

REPPAS: Tetoio qema, ej oswn gnwrizw, den yfistatai. O titlos toy PASOK einai katoxyrwme- nos, einai gnwstos. Einai enas titlos egkyros kai einai enas titlos o opoios exei kerdisei tis perissoteres ekloges sthn Ellada, meta th metapoliteysh.

MIXAHL: Diaceysate oti yparxei to endexomeno prowrwn eklogwn. Mhpws yparxei se stelexh ths Kybernhshs h skech gia allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy;

REPPAS: Tetoio endexomeno, prowrwn eklogwn, den antimetwpizei h Kybernhsh. Qema allaghs toy eklogikoy nomoy den antimetwpizei h Kybernhsh. Kai den asxoleitai h Kybernhsh me qemata sxetika me ton eklogiko nomo. Sas parakalw, yparxei mia filologia gyrw ap'ayta ta qemata, h opoia akribws epeidh den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta, isws exei dysmeneis synepeies gia thn oikonomia kai oxi mono. Kai kalo einai, epeidh apo poyqena den prokyptei oti h Kybernhsh asxoleitai m'ayta ta qemata kai eseis na qewreite oti h diabebaiwsh poy sas dinw, einai eparkhs, wste na mhn epanerxesqe.

FILHS: Shmera paroysiase to ELIAMET, toy opoioy einai gnwstos o qesmikos kai koinwnikos rolos, mia ereyna koinhs gnwmhs apo thn opoia prokyptoyn orismena stoixeia gia to xeirismo twn eqnikwn qematwn apo thn Kybernhsh. Th gnwrizete; Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: Th gnwrizw thn ereyna. To sxolio einai pws oi ereynes aytes apotypwnoyn tis protimhseis ths koinhs gnwmhs, mia dedomenh stigmh. Th meletoyme. Thn ajiologoyme. Ayto poy mporw na pw einai oti gia toys xeirismoys poy ekane h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh sthn Imia, apodeiknyetai ek twn pragmatwn, pws exei dikaiwqei.

MARDAS: Mia dieykrinish, kyrie Ypoyrge: Aytes oi qeseis toy k. Arsenh einai mesa stis programmatikes dhlwseis, opws chfisqhkan sth Boylh kai eidika ston tomea ths Amynas;

REPPAS: Nomizw, kyrie Marda, oti oi apoceis oi opoies ekfrazontai apo paragontes ths politikhs zwhs toy topoy, prepei na einai apoceis oi opoies qa ekfrazontai eleyqerws. Den prokeitai na baloyme kanenan periorismo. Apo ekei kai pera, an prepei aytes oi apoceis na apotelesoyn stoixeia mias sygkekrimenhs politikhs, o endiaferomenos mporei na tis eisagei sta armodia organa, na asxolhqoyn ta melh aytwn twn organwn kai na lhfqoyn oi analoges apofaseis.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Ara, ennoeite oti den einai mesa sthn politikh sas aytes oi apoceis;

REPPAS: Den qa sas pw ti ennow. Egw den ennow. Egw apantw. Kai parakalw, ayta poy lew na ta pairnete tois metrhtois. Toylaxiston, mhn perimenete apo mena na sas pw oti "ayto apantw alla ennow kati allo". Mh me rwtate loipon ti ennow. Kanete mia erwthsh kai egw dinw mia apanthsh. Kai h apanthsh poy dinw einai oti opoios qewrei oti oi apoceis toy h oi qeseis toy prepei na apotelesoyn stoixeia mias politikhs koinhs, mporei na qesei tis apoceis aytes se organa ta opoia symmetexei, wste oi apoceis na ginoyn dektes kai apo ta alla melh twn organwn kai na apotelesoyn apofaseis twn organwn aytwn kai en genei ths politikhs aytwn twn organwn.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Oi apoceis toy Ypoyrgoy Amynhs sympiptoyn me tis genikoteres politikes apoceis ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Oi apoceis toy Ypoyrgoy Amynhs gia thn anaptyjh stenoterwn sxesewn me xwres tis opoies anefere, sas lew oti akribws einai ena meros twn apocewn ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, gia stenes sxeseis filias kai synergasias me xwres poly perissoteres ap'aytes stis opoies anaferqhke o k. Arsenhs.
Sas eyxaristw poly.