BRIEFING 22-03-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 22/3/96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Syggnwmh poy sas diakoptoyme, akoysthke oti qa ginei Kybernhtikh Epitroph shmera to apogeyma.

REPPAS: Oxi. H Kybernhtikh Epitroph qa synedriasei thn Trith stis 12:00 to meshmeri ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Shmith kai qa asxolhqei me qemata agrotikhs politikhs.
* Exete epishs enhmerwqei gia th xqesinh episkech toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy sth Rwmh, o opoios synanthqhke kat' arxas me ton Proedro ths Italikhs Dhmokratias k. Oscar Luigi Scalfaro kai sth synexeia me ton Italo omologo toy ton k. Lamberto Dini. Oi synomilies eixan ws antikeimeno thn anaptyjh twn dimerwn sxesewn, alla to epikentro htan to Symboylio Syndeshs Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs - Toyrkias. Oi ellhnikes qeseis einai gnwstes.
-H Italia exei ekdhlwsei endiaferon kai ayto to apodeiknyei empraktws: Na yparjei dhladh mia koinh qesh kai twn dekapente xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Oi syzhthseis qa synexisqoyn, prokeimenoy h prospaqeia ayth gia to Symboylio Syndeshs na telesforhsei, na pragmatopoihqei to Symboylio kai na ikanopoihqoyn kai oi ellhnikes qeseis, oi opoies sas einai gnwstes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, kyrie Ypoyrge an ginei mia dhlwsh apo meroys ths Toyrkias, emeis symfwnoyme fysika.

REPPAS: Poia einai h erwthsh; Erwthsate kai apanthsate taytoxrona.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Wraia, oi ellhnikes qeseis einai gnwstes. Dhladh, an ginei mia dhlwsh...

REPPAS: Oi qeseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs epi toy qematos exoyn diatypwqei me safhneia kai malista egine kai xqes ektenhs syzhthsh. Kata synepeia einai gnwstes stoys pantes.Kai metajy twn allwn perilambanoyn ena triptyxo - qa elega - to opoio qewroyme pws prepei na diatypwqei kai sto teliko keimeno (ths koinhs qeshs twn "15").
-To triptyxo ayto afora:
* Stis sxeseis kalhs geitonias oi opoies prepei na anaptyssontai metajy Ellados kai Toyrkias. Sygkekrimena qa prepei na ginetai anafora sthn apofygh xrhshs bias afenos kai sthn apeilh xrhshs bias afeteroy.
* Deyteron, ston sebasmo toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy kai twn Dieqnwn Symfwniwn kai Synqhkwn.
* Triton, sthn analhch prwtoboylias apo th xwra h opoia qewrei oti yparxei problhma, prosfyghs sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio h se alla dieqnh nomika organa, prokeimenoy na yparjei apofash gia ta qemata poy h prosfeygoysa xwra qewrei oti ekkremoyn.

POYLIDOY: Dyo erwthseis k. Ypoyrge: H mia einai oti xqes o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti an den syntrejoyn aytoi oi oroi (stoys opoioys anaferqhkate prin) h Ellada den qa symmetexei sthn efarmogh ths Telwneiakhs Enwshs Toyrkias - Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Ayto shmainei oti qa mplokarei kai thn oikonomikh bohqeia pros thn Toyrkia; Ayto einai to prwto erwthma. Kai to deytero erwthma: S' ayth thn idiorryqmh protash toy Toyrkikoy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, h Ellada protiqetai na apanthsei kai pws;

REPPAS: Se poia protash anaferesqe k. Poylidoy, gia na ginete pio sygkekrimenh, an qelete;

POYLIDOY: Gia ta aigoprobata sthn Imia kai th diatrofh toys.

REPPAS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh den exei oydemia syzhthsh na kanei me thn Toyrkia se sxesh me thn protash, thn opoia h teleytaia exei diatypwsei, giati qewrei pws tetoio qema den yfistatai gia thn Ellada. Ara, epi qematos to opoio gia mas den yparxei, den yparxei kai periqwrio syzhthshs. To kaqestws sthn perioxh einai safes, einai sygkekrimeno, einai adiamfisbhthto.
* Ws pros to prwto sas erwthma: To qema exei kat' epanalhch syzhthqei kai stis edw synanthseis mas. Ean enqymeisqe, sas exw pei pws ekeinh thn wra h Ellada qa labei ypoch tis sygkekrimenes synqhkes kai qa prajei to kalytero dynato. An pragmatika qewrhsoyme oti prepei na askhsoyme ayto to dikaiwma ths arnhsikyrias, qa to askhsoyme. Qewroyme, omws, oti yparxoyn periqwria mexri ekeinh th stigmh oi syzhthseis na odhghsoyn se ena qetiko apotelesma, to opoio qa ikanopoiei oxi mono thn Ellada, alla pisteyw oti qa ejyphretei kai thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh sto synolo ths kai thn prospaqeia poy kataballei gia thn peraiterw anaptyjh twn sxesewn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs me trites xwres. T.

MPERMPERAKHS: Piqanh askhsh toy dikaiwmatos ths arnhsikyrias apo meroys ths Ellados exei sxesh me aytoys toys treis oroys poy qetei h Ellada;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti apanthsa prohgoymenws se sygkekrimeno erwthma. Kai h ka Poylidoy sthn erwthsh poy ypebale, yponooyse asfalws oti aytoi oi treis oroi einai oroi, toys opoioys h Ellada qa ejetasei prokeimenoy na staqmisei thn telikh ths qesh. T.

MPERMPERAKHS: Eseis ti lete k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Nai. Ma, akribws s' ayto apanthsa. Kai epanerxomai kai apantw me ton idio tropo: Asfalws oi treis aytoi oroi, poy den einai akribws "oroi", einai ta stoixeia ta opoia qa labei ypoch ths h Ellada prokeimenoy na diatypwsei thn telikh qesh ths. Kai as moy epitrecete ena sxolio edw en parenqesei, (epeidh eipa oti den prokeitai akribws gia oroys) na dikaiologhsw ayth akribws th qesh moy h apoch moy: Den einai akribws "oros", to na les oti oloi prepei na sebomaste to Dieqnes Dikaio h na prosfeygoyme se ena nomiko organo, prokeimenoy na dieyqethqei mia nomikh ekkremothta, thn opoia kapoia pleyra qewrei oti yparxei. Ayta einai "ek twn wn, oyk aney" (sine qua non), einai ta qemelia, einai oi baseis gia na yparxei h dieqnhs koinwnia. Kai nomizw oti einai laqos na xarakthrizoyme tetoies qeseis - poy ap' oloys prepei na einai sebastes kai paradektes - ws "oroys", dhladh ws proypoqeseis, prokeimenoy na yparjei mia synergasia. Ayta einai ta qemelia epi twn opoiwn edrazetai h dieqnhs synergasia, oytws h allws. T.

MPERMPERAKHS: To keimeno poy etoimazei h Italikh Proedria, symperilambanei ayta...

REPPAS: Sas anefera oti brisketai se ejelijh enas dialogos. Kai mexri ekeinh thn wra emeis qewroyme pws prepei na yparjei qetiko apotelesma, syneisferoyme s' ayth thn prospaqeia. Kai qewroyme oti eilikrineis prospaqeies kataballei kai h Italikh Proedria.

MOYRTZHS: Exoyn perielqei plhrofories sthn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh oti h aktofylakh Alikarnassoy stratologei "oikologoys" gia na taisoyn ta katsikia sthn Imia;

REPPAS: Kyrie Moyrtzh, me aformh allh erwthsh, einai sxetiko pantws to qema, eipa kai epanalambanw pws h Toyrkia epeidh akribws qewrei oti einai anypostatoi oi isxyrismoi ths kai den exei sthn "faretra" ths epixeirhmata prokeimenoy na qemeliwsei tis diekdikhseis ths, prospaqei me diafora texnasmata (tetoioy eidoys metajy twn allwn) na ekdhlwsei thn paroysia ths sthn perioxh. Emeis qewroyme pws tetoio qema den yfistatai kai qa eimaste antimetwpoi se tetoies prospaqeies oi opoies an analhfqoyn, pisteyoyme oti ojynoyn tis sxeseis mas kai dhmioyrgoyn mia entash poy einai pantelws peritth: Gia thn astaqeia thn opoia dhmioyrgoyn kai toys kindynoys ej ayths ths astaqeias.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Epi alloy qematos: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sth synenteyjh Typoy poy edwse xqes o Prwqypoyrgos sth Rwmh, erwthqeis sxetikws, eipe oti syzhthse me ton Italo omologo toy kai to Kypriako. Erwtw: yponooyse oti syzhthse to qema ths Diakybernhtikhs kai to qema ths entajhs ths Kyproy h ypeishlqe sthn oysia toy qematos, dioti yparxei mia prospaqeia apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ayth th stigmh gia epilysh toy kypriakoy problhmatos. Dierwtwmai: poio ek twn dyo synezhthqh h kai ta dyo;

REPPAS: Synezhthqh mia seira qematwn, k. Kwnstantinidh. Giati prepei na sas pw oti h synanthsh twn Prwqypoyrgwn Ellados kai Italias htan synanthsh megalhs xronikhs diarkeias. Kai sto plaisio aytwn twn makrwn synomiliwn, synezhthqh kai to Kypriako sto synolo toy: Oxi monon en ocei ths Diakybernhtikhs kai ths proodoy poy prepei na yparjei amesws meta thn Diakybernhtikh - opws sas einai gnwsto - gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, alla kai twn prospaqeiwn poy prepei entonotata na katablhqoyn, prokeimenoy na odhghqoyme se monimh kai dikaih lysh toy kypriakoy problhmatos.

MOYRTZHS: Poios edwse - an gnwrizete - entolh h poios to zhthse na paei h kratikh thleorash sto Wnaseio;

REPPAS: Kyrie Moyrtzh, ek toy apotelesmatos mporw na dwsw mia asfalh apanthsh: To apotelesma einai poio; Ta thleoptika mesa, sta deltia eidhsewn, eixan prwto qema, prwth eidhsh twn ejodo toy Proedroy toy PASOK apo to Wnaseio. Den mporoyse asfalws kai h kratikh thleorash na mhn probalei ayto to gegonos, to opoio einai gia mas ena shmantiko gegonos: H beltiwsh ths ygeias toy Proedroy toy Kinhmatos poy sthrizei th shmerinh Kybernhsh. Kai prepei na pw me ayth thn eykairia oti o sebasmos, h timh kai h agaph olwn mas gia ton Andrea Papandreoy einai dedomenh. Kai o Andreas Papandreoy, epeidh pollh koybenta kai pollh "filologia" anaptyssetai gyrw apo ayto to qema, einai enas politikos, toy opoioy to istoriko toy diametrhma yperbainei - qa elega - ta oria ta opoia orizei to katastatiko toy Kinhmatos, toy opoioy einai Proedros. Einai enas politikos, o opoios synedese me th dikh toy paroysia, ta teleytaia xronia, thn poreia ths xwras mas. Kai nomizw oti gia enan politiko den yparxei tipote pio timhtiko, h proodos kai h anaptyjh se mia xwra na taytizetai me ayton ton politiko. Kai ayto exei symbei sthn periptwsh toy Andrea Papandreoy.

MOYRTZHS: To erwthma moy htan: Poios edwse entolh h poios to zhthse na paei h kratikh thleorash sto Wnaseio;

REPPAS: Nai, eipa den gnwrizw akribws thn leptomereia. Mporw na maqw. An exei ajia gia sas, mporw na maqw.

MOYRTZHS: Gia th sxetikh dhlwsh ston 6o orofo toy Wnaseioy: Ayto ennow. Poios zhthse;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw. Qewrw omws oti to gegonos ayto ek twn pragmatwn exei shmasia kai eprepe na problhqei ws ena gegonos poy afora ton ellhniko lao.

KIAOS: An katalaba kai egw, mhpws qelei na pei o synadelfos oti phge mia kamera, ena kanali...

REPPAS: Apanthsa ston k. Moyrtzh. Katalaba thn erwthsh, thn diatypwse safestata. Egw den gnwrizw poia einai h texnikh leptomereia poy yparxei.

KOGIANNHS: Ma, kyrie Ypoyrge, den pame sta gegonota; Mas kalei kaneis k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Ayto qewrw. Alla o k. Moyrtzhs isws jerei kati allo, to opoio egw prepei na ereynhsw. Eipa oti ek twn pragmatwn h eidhsh ayth, to gegonos ayto endiaferei ton ellhniko lao, gi' ayto akribws den mporoyse na apoysiazei kai h kratikh thleorash apo ekei. Alla tis leptomereies gia to pws...

MOYRTZHS: Syggnwmh poy sas diakoptw kai pali: Poios zhthse apo thn ERT na paei kamera gia na kanei dhlwsh o Proedros; To zhthse h oikogeneia toy; To zhthse h syzygos toy; Poios to zhthse;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti h idia h ERT qa eixe thn prwtoboylia, logw ths shmasias toy gegonotos, na brisketai ekei wste na problhqei ston ellhniko lao h ejodos toy Andrea Papandreoy apo to Wnaseio.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, giati phge mono h ERT; Ayto einai to erwthma.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: H ERT edwse gia oloys...(omiloyn polloi mazi kai den akoygontai).

KOGIANNHS: Ola ta kanalia den hqelan na mpoyn mesa;...

REPPAS: An yparxei kati allo, k. Moyrtzh, parakalw na to ereynhsw.

POLITHS: Sth dhlwsh sas prohgoymenws gia ton Andrea Papandreoy milhsate peri sebasmoy. Mhpws h dhlwsh sas ayth einai apanthsh sth xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Libanh, o opoios zhthse sebasmo apo oloys gia ton Proedro; Einai apanthsh ston k. Libanh ayto;

REPPAS: Den einai kammia apanthsh ston k. Libanh. H ekdhlwsh sebasmoy mas exei ginei me poikiloys tropoys kai sto parelqon, alla kai h frash ayth exei xrhsimopoihqei apo emena kai alles fores, edw kai ena mhna poy eimai se ayth th qesh me analoges eykairies. Apla einai apanthsh se ena istoriko erwthma, an qelete. Giati o Andreas Papandreoy einai pia ena istoriko proswpo. Kai sto istoriko erwthma poy tiqetai, h apanthsh einai: Nai, yparxei asfalws sebasmos, agaph kai timh pros ton Andrea Papandreoy. Toy anhkoyn, allwste, dikaiwmatika ola ayta ta opoia prepei apo meroys mas na anagnwrizontai pros ekeinon.

POLITHS: Symfwnei h Kybernhsh me thn xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Libanh; Dhladh, th symmerizetai apolyta;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw epakribws th dhlwsh toy k. Libanh, epeidh apoysiaza sto ejwteriko. Den eimai gnwsths twn dhlwsewn poy eginan. Alla an o k. Libanhs eipe oti prepei na sebomaste ton Andrea Papandreoy, den eipe kati kainoyrgio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei ton Proedro toy PASOK twra poy anerrwse gia na exei kapoia synergasia mazi toy, kapoia enhmerwsh;

REPPAS: Asfalws. Qa yparjei epikoinwnia kai synennohsh. Kai nomizw oti qa ginei kai ayth h synanthsh.

KARASABBA: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh telei en gnwsei kapoiwn prwtoboyliwn oikologwn poy skeptontai na pane sthn Imia...

REPPAS: Kyria Karasabba apanthsa prohgoymenws se sxetikh erwthsh. Mhn epanerxomeqa parakalw. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh qewrei pws den yfistatai tetoio qema. Entassetai h "prwtoboylia" ayth sthn prospaqeia poy kanei h Toyrkia na dhmioyrghsei epixeirhmata kai na kataskeyasei tekmhria peri twn "dikaiwmatwn" poy isxyrizetai pws exei stis sygkekrimenes braxonhsides.

MOYRTZHS: Mporeite na moy dwsete mia ermhneia sth dhlwsh toy boyleyth toy PASOK k. Ntentidakh oti "twra kaqe katergarhs qa paei ston pagko toy".

REPPAS: Ayth einai mia gnwsth frash poy leei o ellhnikos laos. Den gnwrizw ti akribws eipe o k. Ntentidakhs, sas eipa oti apoysiaza xqes sth Rwmh kai ws ek toytoy den gnwrizw tis akribeis dhlwseis. Egw pisteyw - xaritologw twra - oti bebaiws "kaqe katergarhs prepei na einai ston pagko toy", alla prin ap' ayto kalytero qa htan na exoyme petyxei na mhn yparxoyn kaqoloy "katergarhdes"!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla eipe "twra".

REPPAS: Egw lew loipon oxi mono twra, alla pantote na mhn yparxoyn "katergarhdes"!

DHMAKAS: Gia toys Toyrkoys oikologoys, poy legetai, eseis exete tetoia plhroforia;

REPPAS: Einai mia plhroforia poy erxetai apo ta mesa enhmerwshs ths Toyrkias. Kai h toyrkikh pleyra, mesw twn entypwn ths xwras ayths, qewreitai pws diamhnyei ena sxedio gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos sthn Imia, to opoio sxedio ayto, bebaiws, periorizetai akribws sthn ejasfalish ths trofhs twn zwwn poy briskontai ekei. Einai -epanalambanw kai pali- mia prwtoboylia poy entassetai s'ena synolikotero sxedio, na kataskeyasqoyn epixeirhmata kai na epidiwxqei apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, na anadeixqei kai o dikos ths rolos, ws rolos o opoios ek twn pragmatwn yparxei sthn perioxh. Einai ena qema poy gia mas den yparxei.

KARASABBA: Ti metra exei parei h Kybernhsh gia na mhn eisaxqoyn posothtes kreatwn apo thn Agglia;

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: As paei sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

REPPAS: qa moy epitrecete na pw kati: Edwse analytikh synenteyjh typoy o armodios Ypoyrgos Gewrgias k. Stefanos Tzoymakas gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Einai gnwsto to qema. Alla sas lew -sas einai isws xrhsimo- oti se ligo, stis 2 m.m., o Ypoyrgos Metaforwn k. Kastanidhs qa dwsei kai aytos synenteyjh typoy gia qemata ta opoia exoyn prokycei ston tomea armodiothtas toy. Kai nomizw, opoioi endiaferesqe - ka Karasabba sas afora, giati eseis kanete reportaz pantoy, gi'ayto to anaferw me thn eykairia dikhs sas erwthshs ...

DHMAKAS: Sxolio den exete eseis gia to aerodromio kai th stash twn Amerikanwn;

REPPAS: Exoyme sxolio. Qa syzhthqei leptomerws -sas eipa- sth synenteyjh poy qa doqei se ligo. To sxolio to diko mas einai pws anagnwrizetai h prospaqeia poy exei ginei apo thn Kybernhsh gia th beltiwsh twn synqhkwn asfaleias sta aerodromia. Den prokeitai peri tajidiwtikhs odhgias h notas, opws alliws legetai. Den prokeitai na ekdoqei tajidiwtikh odhgia. Kai, bebaiws, h prospaqeia gia th beltiwsh qa synexisqei me synergasia twn dyo pleyrwn. Ta problhmata entopizontai sto aerodromio kai oxi stis aeroporikes etaireies, opoy -opws gnwrizete- lambanontai prosqeta metra asfaleias. Ayto shmainei, ek twn pragmatwn, oti oi synqhkes asfaleias einai -qa elega- oxi aristes, alla idiaiterws kales, epeidh kai oi aeroporikes etaireies lambanoyn tetoia metra asfaleias, epiprosqetws. Alla, anagnwrizetai h prospaqeia poy kanei h Kybernhsh kai h beltiwsh poy exei epiferei. H prospaqeia ayth synexizetai mexri na ftasoyme se synqhkes oi opoies qa einai apolytoy asfaleias gia to Aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy.

KIAOS: Ti ennoeite otan lete oti ta problhmata entopizontai sto aerodromio;

REPPAS: H syzhthsh ginetai gia ta metra asfaleias poy lambanontai apo tis yphresies toy aerodromioy. Alla oi aeroporikes etaireies, apo mones toys, me bash ton kanonismo ths dikhs toys leitoyrgias, lambanoyn metra asfaleias epiprosqetws. H syzhthsh den ginetai gia ta metra poy lambanoyn oi aeroporikes etaireies, poy qewroyntai oti einai metra ikanopoihtika kai ejasfalizoyn aytes tis synqhkes asfaleias. Aforoyn stis synqhkes poy prepei na yparxoyn sto aerodromio. Ekei anagnwrizetai pws exei ginei mia shmantikh prospaqeia, pws yparxei beltiwsh twn synqhkwn, h opoia bebaiws beltiwsh prepei na synexisqei, mexri na katakthsoyme to aristo epipedo synqhkwn asfaleias.

DHMAKAS: Kai para th beltiwsh eimaste sta tria xeirotera aerodromia toy kosmoy;

REPPAS: Oxi, den einai sta tria xeirotera aerodromia toy kosmoy, k. Dhmaka. Mhn parasyreste...Den to lew egw kai den to legoyn...

DHMAKAS: Etsi lene oi phges ...

REPPAS: Oxi, oxi. Afhste tis phges, na enhmerwqoyn leptomerws. Oi phges aytes den exoyn toso gargaro nero, otan sas legoyn tetoia pragmata. Einai oligon qoles, dhladh. KIAOS (xaritologwntas): Einai ayto poy leme "giati skotwnete toys mayroys"...

REPPAS: Oxi, oxi. Einai ligo qoles oi phges. Den einai akribws etsi. Den diatypwnetai akribws etsi h qesh ths allhs pleyras.

POYLIDOY: Exete kapoia eikona gia to ti synebh sto aerodromio ths Kwnstantinoypolhs me th syzygo toy Ellhna Genikoy Projenoy;

REPPAS: H syzygos toy Genikoy Projenoy ejetasqhke h dexqhke mia ereyna -qa elega- kata thn anaxwrhsh ths apo thn Kwnstantinoypolh pros thn Aqhna. Prepei na dieykrinisw oti h ereyna ayth den htan swmatikh. Htan ereyna stis aposkeyes ths. qewroyme oti tetoioy eidoys xeironomies antibainoyn stoys kanones oxi mono ths abrofrosynhs, alla kai toys diplwmati- koys. Kai h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, se ligh wra, protiqetai na kanei th diplwmatikh kinhsh, h opoia einai aparaithth se tetoies periptwseis. Qa probei dhladh se diatypwsh diabhmatos sthn toyrkikh pleyra, afoy kalesei ton yphresiako paragonta ths edw toyrkikhs Presbeias sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn gia na toy ginei ayto to diabhma.

POYLIDOY: Eixe diplwmatiko diabathrio;

REPPAS: Nai, eixe diplwmatiko diabathrio.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Eixame paromoia peristatika sthn Kwnstantinoypolh to teleytaio diasthma;

REPPAS: Exoyn anaferqei, ej oswn gnwrizw, kai alla tetoia peristatika kai exoyn ginei ta analoga diabhmata. Einai allwste gnwsta ayta. Sas eyxaristw para poly. Kalo trihmero.