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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 20/3/96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

MIXAHL: To brady o Prwqypoyrgos qa paei sthn ekdhlwsh ths Boylhs gia ton E.Benizelo;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw to akribes programma. Gnwrizw oti o k. Prwqypoyrgos exei mia syskech to brady, en ocei toy ayrianoy tajidioy sthn Italia kai toy epikeimenoy stis HPA. Den jerw akribws an sympiptei h wra ths ekdhlwshs sth Boylh me thn wra poy einai programmatismenh h syskech ayth toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy, kai an dhmioyrgeitai, kata synepeia, kapoia dyskolia. Qa to doyme.

ERWTHSH: Me poioys qa exei syskech o k. Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Me toys synergates toy. Me ton k. Pagkalo, me ton k. Rwmaio, me ton omiloynta. En ocei toy tajidioy sthn Italia kai stis HPA.

ERWTHSH: Pote;

REPPAS: Stis 7:00 to apogeyma. Einai sta plaisia twn synergasiwn poy exei o k. Prwqypoyr- gos.

ERWTHSH: Qa ton synodeysete kai eseis sthn Italia;

REPPAS: Kai eseis fantazomai. Allwste exoyme merimnhsei wste na yparjei eidikh pthsh gia sas sto ayriano tajidi. To gnwrizete allwste. Kai gia na xaritologhsw, ap'o,ti fainetai, qa exoyme polla tajidia, pleon. Kai den gnwrizw an mporesoyme na shkwsoyme ayto to kostos ws Ypoyrgeio. Qa mas dhmioyrghsete oikonomiko problhma, me thn yperdrasthriothta ayth ...

GARGALAKOS: Qa hqela na sas kanw thn ejhs erwthsh: Enoxlhqhke h Kybernhsh apo thn parembash twn eikosi boyleytwn me to aithma toys gia thn sygklhsh ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas; Kai eidikotera qewreite an ayth h parembash apostaqeropoiei thn Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh den enoxleitai otan oi boyleytes ekfrazoyn eleyqera th gnwmh toys. Exw pei kai se allh periptwsh, meta apo erwthsh dikh sas, oti oi boyleytes exoyn aperioristo to dikaiwma ths gnwmhs toys. Kai pisteyw oti kai oi eikosi boyleytes diatypwnoyn tis apoceis toys me gnwmona to eqniko symferon. Opws, allwste, me gnwmona to eqniko symferon, ekfrazoyn kai yposthrizoyn tis apoceis toys kai oi triakosioi boyleytes ths Ellhnikhs Boylhs. H Kybernhsh den qewrei oti einai enoxlhsh gia aythn to oti oi boyleytes ekfrazoyn thn apoch toys. H Kybernhsh den noiwqei ligotero isxyrh logw toy oti eleyqerws ekfrazoyn thn apoch toys oi boyleytes, oi opoioi apodedeigmena thn sthrizoyn. H Kybernhsh protiqetai na antimetwpisei ta diadikastika qemata, th sygklhsh twn Organwn gia thn opoia milhsate, me tropo tetoio wste na antimetwpisei to eqniko qema me ton kalytero tropo.

GARGALAKOS: Kai o tropos me ton opoio diatypwqhke ayto to aithma, dhladh h syllogh twn ypografwn, den dhmioyrgei problhma gia thn Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Einai mia morfh ekfrashs ths apochs, h opoia deixnei mia -qa elega- sygkrothmenh apoch. Ayto einai kati synhqismeno. Den dhmioyrgei kanena idiaitero problhma. Anhkei sthn koinoboyleytikh praktikh kai sta plaisia ths politikhs drasthriothtas twn Ellhnwn boyleytwn kai me ayto ton tropo na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys.

MARDAS: Yphrje kapoio qermo epeisodio sta Imia, xqes;

REPPAS: Kanena qermo epeisodio den yphrje sta Imia xqes.

MARDAS: Erwtw epeidh yphrje kapoia kinhtopoihsh polemikwn skafwn, xqes, meta apo episkech enos thleoptikoy synergeioy, ellhnikoy staqmoy.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti polemika ploia, enqen kakeiqen kinoyntai sthn perioxh. Ayto den shmainei oti yphrje qermo epeisodio. Oyte kan epeisodio. Bebaiws yphrje episkech kapoioy synergeioy se mia braxonhsida, h opoia dihrkese kapoio xroniko diasthma kai sto diasthma ayto panw sth braxonhsida apobibasthkan o dhmosiografos - enas dhmosiografos nomizw htan sthn omada ayth - kai kapoioi ntopioi oi opoioi meteferan ton dhmosiografo me toys synergates toy. Alla elhje xwris na yparxei opoiadhpote allh synexeia kai synepeia. Kai ayto eixe ginei otan miloysame xqes - kai eixan teqei kapoies analoges erwthseis- pragma poy shmainei oti pagia qesh mas einai ayth thn opoia kai alles fores exw diatypwsei. Einai mia qesh poy ek twn pragmatwn epibebaiwnetai.

MARDAS: Synepws den yparxei apagoreysh na paei opoiosdhpote poliths h thleoptiko synergeio kai dhmosiografos sthn perioxh ayth. Etsi den einai;

REPPAS: Ayth einai mia apanthsh se erwthsh poy qetete syxna eseis. Dinete monos sas thn apanthsh, shmera.

MARDAS: Me thn opoia symfwneite...

REPPAS: Me thn opoia symfwnw kai apodeiknyetai ek twn pragmatwn.

MARDAS: Kai kati allo. Yparxei mia plhroforia stis toyrkikes efhmerides oti ephlqe mia symfwnia gia to poios qa dinei trofh sta katsikia sta Imia. Oso kai an fainetai grafiko to zhthma, einai qema kyriarxias, einai qema eqniko kai politiko. Yparxei mia tetoia synennohsh;

REPPAS: H erwthsh teqhke me diaforetiko tropo, alla epi ths oysias htan akribws idia, xqes. Apanthsa. Kai parakalesa, kai epanerxomai sthn paraklhsh ayth, na teqei terma sthn "katsikologia". To kaqestws sthn perioxh einai dedomeno, einai adiamfisbhthto gia mas. Kai en pash periptwsei epanalambanw oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh lambanei metra wste na yperaspizetai kai ta ths eqnikhs kyriarxias kai ta ej ayths dikawmata, alla kai ta symferonta twn idiwtwn. Gi' ayto na eisqe sigoyroi.

MARDAS: H "katsikologia" prepei na stamathsei, nomizw, apo thn Kybernhsh giati yparxoyn proklhseis apo thn apenanti pleyra.

REPPAS: Asfalws yparxoyn proklhseis. Einai kati kainoyrgio ayto; Exoyme milhsei kat' epanalhch gi' ayto. Den yparxei mera isws, edw kai ena mhna peripoy, poy na mhn exoyme milhsei gia thn proklhtikh h epiqetikh stash poy threi h Toyrkia apenanti sthn Ellada. Ayto den apotelei eidhsh.

MARDAS: Eidhsh apotelei to gegonos oti to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ths Toyrkias enegrace ena kondyli gia thn trofh twn katsikiwn. Ti symbainei gyrw apo ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Ti symbainei; Qelete na analysw...;

MARDAS: To qewreite ws asteio, ws grafiko, ws eytrapelo;

REPPAS: Oxi. Qewrw oti h Toyrkia apo th dikh ths pleyra qa kanei ta panta wste na brei tropoys na qemeliwsei toys isxyrismoys ths. Epeidh akribws gnwrizei oti einai gymnh epixeirhmatwn en ocei toy qematos, to opoio exei dhmioyrghqei teleytaiws. Kai aytos einai o kalyteros tropos na apodeixqei h isxys twn ellhnikwn epixeirhmatwn kai qesewn. Qeseis oi opoies sthrizontai akribws sto sebasmo toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy kai stis symfwnies oi opoies yparxoyn alla kai se pragmatika peristatika: Oti sth sygkekrimenh perioxh kai stis braxonhsides, edw kai para polla xronia, dekaeties oloklhres, eixan kyriarxia kai nomh Ellhnes polites.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, an katalabainw kala, oi Toyrkoi m'ayto ton tropo skopeyoyn na katoxyrwsoyn dikaiwmata stis ellhnikes braxonhsides, gi'ayto kanoyn tis kinhseis aytes;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti oi Toyrkoi, epeidh akribws den mporoyn na antlhsoyn epixeirhmata apo tis dieqneis Synqhkes h apo to Dieqnes Dikaio kai epeidh den apantoyn sthn protroph poy toys exei apeyqynqei apo dieqneis paragontes na prosfygoyn sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, prospaqoyn na enisxysoyn thn epixeirhmatologia toys me tetoioy eidoys politikes prwtoboylies poy lambanei h Kybernhsh toys, oi opoies den mas projenoyn entypwsh. Bebaiws, tis parakoloyqoyme kai tis meletoyme, alla den qa perimename isws kati diaforetiko, wste na noiwqoyme entypwsiasmenoi gia to oti h Toyrkia ekane ayth thn epilogh. Tetoioy eidoys texnasmata kanei kata kairoys h Toyrkia. Den einai kati poy mas prokalei kataplhjh. Einai, nomizw, mia fysikh synexeia twn epidiwjewn ths Toyrkias.

SOYGLERHS: Epishs, qelw na sas pw oti shmera h efhmerida APOGEYMATINH apokalyptei oti apo to 1984 h E.E. epixorhgei diafores braxonhsides sthn perioxh ths Imia kai ayta ta koinotika programmata h Kybernhsh pote den ta ajiopoihse. Kai ayta ta ntokoymenta pote den ta epikalesqhke kata thn krish me thn Toyrkia. Ti apantate;

REPPAS: Exw na apanthsw oti h sygkekrimenh efhmerida den kanei tipota allo para na anaferetai se drasthriothtes ths Kybernhshs toy PASOK, toso to 1984 oso kai pleon prosfata. To sygkekrimeno programma KORIN sto opoio anaferetai to dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas einai ena programma poy jekinhse to 1984 me prwtoboylia ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs. Exei hdh oloklhrwqei kai bebaiws, stis draseis toy perilambanontai metajy twn allwn kai oi braxonhsides gia tis opoies milame. Apo ekei kai pera, prepei na sas pw oti exei megalh shmasia kai teqhke sto prosfato -pro eikosahmeroy egine peripoy - Symboylio twn Ypoyrgwn Periballontos apo thn ellhnikh pleyra, to qema enos programmatos poy onomazetai "NATURA 2.000". Ayto einai symfwno me mia Koinotikh Odhgia, thn yp'ariq. 9243. Metajy twn 296 perioxwn poy exoyn protaqei apo thn Ellada, wste na symperilhfqoyn s'ayto to programma, symperilambanontai kai oi perioxes twn nhsiwn Leicoi, Arkoi, Agaqonhsi kai oi parakeimenes braxonhsides stis opoies symperilambanetai kai h Imia. Aytomata oi braxonhsides aytes tiqentai ypo eqnikh kai koinotikh prostasia. Einai draseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs kai sygkekrimena ths Kybernhshs toy PASOK. Dioti kai to 1984 eixame Kybernhsh toy PASOK kai twra exoyme Kybernhsh toy PASOK, epishs.

MOYRTHS: Egkriqhke to programma ayto k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Bebaiws. Ta parakoloyqoyme ayta ta qemata kai prepei na sas pw oti exoyme anaqesei programmata kai se foreis (Orniqologikh Etaireia sto Ereynhtiko Kentro toy Panepisthmioy Patrwn), wste na asxoloyntai me tetoioy eidoys oikologika qemata, ta opoia bebaiws apodeiknyoyn thn kyriarxia poy exei h Ellada na askei ta dikaiwmata ths gia ta sygkekrimena programmata sth sygkekrimenh perioxh.

SOYGLERHS: Sto sygkekrimeno reportaz h efhmerida anaferei oti ta xrhmata exoyn ajiopoihqei kai den exei ginei tipota sthn perioxh.

REPPAS: Den jerw an legontas oti "den exei ginei tipota sthn perioxh" ennoeite oti eprepe na ginoyn kapoia erga, kapoies ypodomes. Ayto einai kati allo. Afora kapoio allo programma to opoio exei anaptyjei to Ypoyrgeio Aigaioy poy perilambanei kai erga ypodomhs. Alla, to sygkekrimeno erwthma poy qesate anaferetai se koinotika programmata. Ta koinotika programmata aforoyn th meleth biotopwn, ygrotopwn, k.lp. Kai sta programmata ayta h Ellada exei mia kalh symmetoxh.

SOYGLERHS: Dhladh, den yparxei adiaforia apo thn pleyra ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Sto sygkekrimeno dhmosieyma den ginetai tipota allo, para mia -qa elega- epalhqeysh twn drasthriothtwn poy exei anaptyjei h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh. Kai h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh kai stis dyo periptwseis htan Kybernhsh toy PASOK.

FILHS: Na erqoyme sto prohgoymeno qema, poy afora thn metabash Ellhnwn dhmosiografwn sth braxonhsida Imia: egrafh oti yphrje gi'ayto to qema synennohsh, thlefwnikh epikoinwnia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me to Dieyqynth toy SKAI k. Alafoyzo. To epibebaiwnete;

REPPAS: Den yphrje thlefwnikh epikoinwnia toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Alafoyzo.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Mhpws yphrje epikoinwnia toy k. Arsenh me ton k. Alafoyzo;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw. Alla, epeidh mporoyme na qesoyme mia seira erwthmatwn gia to idio sygkekrimeno qema, sas lew oti yphrje mia epikoinwnia emoy me toys epikefalhs twn antistoixwn tmhmatwn toy staqmoy, opoy syzhthsame gia to sygkekrimeno symban. Yphrje mia allhloenhmerwsh.

FILHS: Ti akribws syzhthsate; Ayto qelw na katalabw.

REPPAS: Ma, gnwrizw oti o k. Grypiwths apobibasqhke sthn sygkekrimenh braxonhsida, xqes to prwi, me th synodeia kai kapoiwn ntopiwn oi opoioi diaqetoyn to skafos me to opoio metebh ekei. To "ANNA - MARIA", nomizw einai to skafos ayto to mikro. Anebhkan loipon sthn braxonhsida, paremeinan gia kapoio xroniko diasthma kai aphlqan, afoy eixan kapoio dialogo kai me toys antres oi opoioi eyriskonto sto ploio toy limenikoy. Den yphrje kanenas allos dialogos, den yphrje kanena allo problhma. Parathrhqhke mia sygkentrwsh, qa elega, mikrh pantws, dynamewn kai apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, ths opoias omws ta ploia emeinan entos twn xwrikwn ydatwn kai se megalh apostash apo th synoriakh grammh.

FILHS: Ti ekane esas ton Ypoyrgo Typoy, na epikoinwnhsete, oxi aytoboylws alla katopin entolwn - fantazomai - ths Kybernhshs me ton ypeyqyno toy idiwtikoy kanalioy;

REPPAS: H prwtoboylia den htan ths kybernhsews. H prwtoboylia htan ths allhs pleyras, h opoia hqele na mas enhmerwsei gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

FILHS: Dhladh, enhmerwqhkate eseis gia to sygkekrimeno qema apo ton SKAI;

REPPAS: Oxi. H epikoinwnia egine me prwtoboylia ths allhs pleyras. Egw eixa enhmerwqei apo tis kybernhtikes kai kratikes yphresies. Milame gia to poios eixe thn prwtoboylia ths epikoinwnias. Den milame gia to poios ekane enhmerwsh ston allon.

FILHS: Mia paremferhs erwthsh: Sas problhmatizei, k. Ypoyrge, to gegonos oti se oles, as to poyme etsi, episkeceis Ellhnwn politwn sta Imia xrhsimopoieitai ena sygkekrimeno skafos to opoio einai to "ANNA - MARIA"; Kai tis prohgoymenes fores to idio htan kai xqes pali to idio. (den akoygetai).

REPPAS: Mporw, na pw mono, plhroforiaka, oti o kapetanios h o idiokthths, an qelete, toy sygkekrimenoy skafoys, o k. Arbiqhs einai anhcios toy k. Bezyropoyloy, gia ton opoio exoyme milhsei.

GARGALAKOS: H Kybernhsh yioqetei tetoies prwtoboylies eite idiwtwn eite thleoptikwn staqmwn;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh oyte yioqetei, oyte apagoreyei tetoies prwtoboylies. Opws den mporei na apotrecei opoiondhpote na kinhqei se opoiodhpote allo shmeio ths ellhnikhs epikrateias. Epeidh, omws, yparxei ena pragmatiko gegonos, breqhkame se mia ojymenh sxesh me thn Toyrkia molis prosfatws, qewroyme oti tetoioy eidoys qemata prepei na antimetwpizontai me leptothta kai eyaisqhsia, wste na mhn dhmioyrgoyn problhmata, otan kapoioi apo flegonta isws yperpatriwtismo, lene oti epidiwkoyn na lysoyn problhmata, epibebaiwnontas di'aytoy toy tropoy thn kyriarxia ths Elladas ekei. H kyriarxia ths Ellados yparxoyn polloi tropoi na epibebaiwqei, opws ginotan epi dekaeties oloklhres. Epi dekaeties poy para polloi ap'aytoys poy shmera deixnoyn to ypermetro endiaferon, agnooysan akomh kai thn yparjh aytwn twn braxonhsidwn.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Sthn epikoinwnia sas me ton SKAI teqhke zhthma kai planwn;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw an yparxoyn kan plana. Ean exoyn plana einai dikh toys idiokthsia pneymatikh. Kai einai dikaiwma toys na ta xrhsimopoihsoyn opws nomizoyn.
Sas eyxaristw.