BRIEFING 19-03-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 19.3.96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

STAMATOPOYLOS: Posoi exoyn meinei apo to Proedreio;

REPPAS: Einai para polloi. Einai dieyrymenh h synqesh giati yparxoyn apoceis kai apo synadelfoys boyleytes gia ta qemata akribws toy Kanonismoy leitoyrgias ths Koinoboyley- tikhs Omadas. Kai qa yparxei mia protash h opoia qa synqetei tis epimeroys eishghseis poy exoyn ginei. As jekinhsoyme th syzhthsh mas.

MARDAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos milwntas sth Boylh eipe oti den yparxoyn "gkrizes" perioxes sto Aigaio. Thn idia mera, o Ypoyrgos k. Peponhs ypainixqhke thn yparjh "nekrwn" zwnwn sto Aigaio. Epeidh sxoliasqhke ayto to qema, qelw na rwthsw, pws protiqetai h Kybernhsh na diaskedasei aytes tis entypwseis poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei akoma kai se stelexh ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Poia einai akribws h erwthsh; Na diaskedasoyme tis entypwseis poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei se stelexh ths Kybernhshs; Eipe dhladh o k. Peponhs, kata th dikh sas ekdoxh, oti yparxoyn "gkrizes" perioxes; Ayto lete;

MARDAS: Nai.

REPPAS: Den yparxoyn "gkrizes" perioxes. Ayto poy eipe o k. Prwqypoyrgos antapokrinetai plhrws sthn pragmatikothta. Kai h Ellada, opws eipa kai xqes kyrie Marda, kanei ta panta wste na yperaspizetai thn eqnikh kyriarxia kai ta ej ayths aporreonta dikaiwmata sth sygkekrimenh perioxh.

MARDAS: Me poio tropo qa epibebaiwqei h eqnikh mas kyriarxia sta Imia sygkekrimena;

REPPAS: Me ton tropo o opoios epibebaiwnetai epi dekaeties twra.

MARDAS: Pws; Otan den epitrepetai na paei o boskos...

REPPAS: Pws den epitrepetai; Xqes kaname dialogo ep'aytoy.

MARDAS: Milwntas sto SKAI xqes sas dieceyse...

REPPAS: Poios;

MARDAS: O boskos.

REPPAS: Egw sas eipa pws exoyn ta gegonota, apo ekei kai pera oi ermhneies einai dikes sas. Sas lew oti oyte enoxlhqhke, oyte empodisthke. Kai epi toy qematos aytoy, parakalw, mhn epimenete. Apanthsa xqes leptomerws, kyrie Marda, epi qematwn ta opoia aptontai toy sygkekrimenoy symbantos kai h syzhthsh prepei na sas pw oti htan leptomerhs.

MARDAS: Me sygxwreite, epeidh den einai qema mias hmeras, qelw na epimeinw s'ayto. H Kybernhsh qa steilei Ellhnes polites gia na stamathsoyn ta sxolia ayta;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh exei labei ola ekeina ta metra, wste na diasfalizetai kai na epibebaiwnetai synexws h kyriarxia ths xwras mas sth sygkekrimenh perioxh.

MARDAS: Me poio tropo, den lete omws.

REPPAS: Me toys tropoys poy pagiws xrhsimopoiei mia xwra, wste na diasfalizei ta eqnika ths symferonta kai na epibebaiwnei thn kyriarxia ths se mia perioxh.

MARDAS: Ayto exei ginei mexri twra;

REPPAS: Exei ginei kai ginetai synexws.

MARDAS: Afoy den yparxei kaneis ekei epanw.

REPPAS: Kyrie Marda, mhn eiste toso kathgorhmatikos otan kanete kapoies erwthseis peri toy an h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei labei metra gia na apodeijei oti pragmatika h ellhnikh kyriarxia sthn perioxh einai dedomenh. To kaqestws einai safes gia th sygkekrimenh perioxh kai sas lew oti oydeis empodisthke pote.

MARDAS: Dhladh, qa kanoyme mystikh apobash se nhsi mas;

REPPAS: Den jerw ti skeptesqe na kanete eseis. H Kybernhsh den prokeitai na kanei mystikh apobash, giati qewrei oti ayta ta qemata einai para poly sobara, wste na ta antimetwpizoyn me prwtoboylia toys idiwtes. H Kybernhsh - eipa xqes, leipate, gi'ayto to epanalambanw - kai ta idiwtika symferonta ta opoia yparxoyn sthn perioxh, kai ayta qa ta proaspisei, wste oloi na einai ikanopoihmenoi.

SOYGLERHS: Sto qema ths Imias, gia thn Kybernhsh h ellhno-toyrkikh krish, an katalabainw kala, exei teleiwsei;

REPPAS: H ellhno-toyrkikh krish sthn ojeia morfh sthn opoia breqhke, asfalws den yfistatai shmera. Alla, qa yparxei pantote krish stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn oso h Toyrkia den sebetai to Dieqnes Dikaio kai analambanei epiqetikes prwtoboylies pros thn Ellada, oi opoies antibainoyn akribws stis sxeseis kalhs geitonias, alla kai stoys kanones toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy.

KACAMPELHS: Eipate, metajy twn allwn, oti kaneis den empodise to bosko k.lp. Shmera o ELEYQEROS TYPOS dhmosieyei ta praktika apo tis synedriaseis ths Epitrophs Dieqnwn Ypoqesewn ths Boylhs, opoy o k. Pagkalos exei dwsei entelws allh diastash sto qema.

REPPAS: Ti eipe o k. Pagkalos; Oti empodisthke o boskos;

KACAMPELHS: Nomizw oti qa enhmerwqhkate gia to dhmosieyma. Mporw na sas pw, epi lejei, ti exei pei o k. Pagkalos. Oti to qema htan tetoio poy to syzhthse me ton Amerikano Presbh k. Nails. Deyteron, oti o boskos parenoxlhqhke, opws leei o k. Pagkalos kai triton, oti xreiasthke synodeia peripolikoy gia na epanelqei o boskos. Kai tetarton, problece o k. Pagkalos oti qa exoyme synexws tetoia epeisodia. H erwthsh moy einai: Ti apanthse o k. Nails otan toy eteqh to qema; Deyteron: Apo poioys parenoxlhqhke o boskos; Triton: Pote epanhlqe kai me poia synodeia peripolikoy o boskos; Tetarton: Aspazesqe thn apoch oti qa ginontai synexws tetoia epeisodia;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw kai pali oti oso h Toyrkia exei mia symperifora san ayth ths teleytaias idiaiterws periodoy, asfalws qa yparxei krish stis ellhno-toyrkikes sxeseis. Apo ekei kai pera, o k. Nails enhmerwqhke asfalws apo thn Kybernhsh th dikh mas, h opoia ajiologhse to sygkekrimeno peristatiko. Kai exei kaqe logo h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh na ypenqymizei sthn Amerikh kai oxi monon, th stash thn opoia threi h Toyrkia sthn perioxh. Mia stash proklhtikh, mia stash epiqetikh. Bebaiws, den einai eyxaristo, an kai mesa sta dika toys xwrika ydata, na yparxoyn polemika ploia ths Toyrkias, ta opoia dinoyn mia aisqhsh foboy kai deoys stoys pleontes sthn perioxh ekeinh kai Ellhnes polites. Omws, h Ellada - epanalambanw kai pali - opws kai sto sygkekrimeno symban, etsi kai se alles periptwseis, qa kanei ta panta wste na diasfalisei kai ta aporreonta ek ths eqnikhs kyriarxias dikaiwmata mas, alla kai ta symferonta twn idiwtwn sthn perioxh, caradwn, boskwn k.lp.

KACAMPELHS: An moy epitrete, h aporia moy einai... Den mas eipate...

REPPAS: Kyrie Kacampelh, qa hqela na kanw mia parathrhsh. Moy epitrepete, sas parakalw, na sas diakocw. Anaptyssete blepw kai apo tis erwthseis poy kanate prohgoymenws ena skeptiko. Qa hqela ayth h praktikh na mhn akoloyqeitai, xwris bebaiws na mporw na thn empodisw. Edw kanoyme enan apeyqeias dialogo me erwthseis kai apanthseis af'enos. Af'eteroy, h syzhthsh poy egine sthn Epitroph Ejwterikwn Ypoqesewn kai Politikhs Amynas sth Boylh, einai mia kleisth syzhthsh kai den einai eykolo na syzhtoyme epi qematwn poy syzhthqhkan ekei. Kai eseis qewreite dedomeno oti exoyn opws akribws apotypwqhkan se ena dhmosieyma.

KACAMPELHS: Me sygxwreite para poly...

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na exw mia epifylajh.

KACAMPELHS: Ep'aytoy toy qematos den jerw an den sas exoyn enhmerwsei oi Yphresies sas, sas enhmerwnw loipon egw, oti o ELEYQEROS TYPOS dhmosieyei aytoysia ta praktika. An diaceydete ta epishma praktika apo thn Epitroph, parakalw na mas to peite. Einai aytoysia ta praktika, einai mot a mot oi ekfraseis toy k. Pagkaloy. Exei ginei dialogos me ton k. Paylidh, ton k. Xatzhnikolaoy kai ton k. Giwta.

REPPAS: Lete, loipon, oti apo mia synedriash, h opoia einai kleisth, exete eseis...

KACAMPELHS: Einai ta praktika...

REPPAS: ... H synedriash einai kleisth kai afora mia diadikasia toy Ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy. Exete eseis plhrofories tetoies, apo symmetexontes profanws s'ayth th synedriash, oi opoies apotypwnontai...

KACAMPELHS: Einai ta praktika.

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete - epanalambanw kai pali - na eimai epifylaktikos.

KACAMPELHS: Diaceydete ta praktika;

REPPAS: Diaceydw oti to dhmosieyma ayto antapokrinetai plhrws sthn alhqeia, opws to qetete eseis. Eseis qewreite dedomenh bash gia na anaptyjete to syllogismo kai thn erwthsh sas ayto to dhmosieyma. Sas lew oti h bash ayth den prepei na xrhsimopoieitai kata ton apolyto tropo poy th xrhsimopoieite eseis.

KACAMPELHS: Erwthsh loipon, epeidh amfisbhteite to dhmosieyma, thn akribeia toy dhmosieymatos: Diaceydete oti o k. Pagkalos eipe oti syzhthse to qema me ton k. Nails, oti o k. Pagkalos eipe oti parenoxlhqhke o boskos, oti xreiasthke na epanelqei me synodeia peripolikoy, oti problece pws qa synexisqoyn ta epeisodia...;

KIAOS: An epitrepetai, gia na dieykolynqw egw poy parakoloyqw to briefing, mhpws o synadelfos mporei na kanei mia-mia tis erwthseis gia na exoyme tis apanthseis, gia na katalabw kalytera;

REPPAS: Ayto einai diko sas qema. Sta eswterika sas, oydolws parembainw.

KIAOS: Den einai eswterika.

REPPAS: Einai diko sas qema.

KACAMPELHS: H erwthsh loipon einai h ejhs: Kata ta praktika poy dhmosieyei shmera o ELEYQEROS TYPOS, o k. Pagkalos eipe oti syzhthse ayto to qema me ton k. Nails. To diaceydete h to epibebaiwnete;

REPPAS: To epibebaiwsa k. Kacampelh. Eisqe parwn, alla fainetai, oxi kaq' oloklhrian. Eipa loipon, oti h ellhnikh pleyra enhmerwse kai thn Kybernhsh twn HPA mesw toy k. Nails gia th stash poy krataei h Toyrkia sthn perioxh. Kai exoyme kaqe logo na to kanoyme ayto se kaqe eykairia. Oi logoi aytoi einai eynohtoi. Parakalw, mhn epimenoyme se tetoia qemata peran enos orismenoy shmeioy. An exete ena agxos na dhmioyrghsoyme ena qema, einai katanohto. Alla parakalw para poly to kaqe qema...

KACAMPELHS: Ma symfwna me ta praktika poy dhmosieyei shmera o ELEYQEROS TYPOS...

REPPAS: Akoyste me. Prin katalhjw, mhn biazesqe na bgalete symperasma. Alla to kaqe qema exei xeiristes oloys mas. Exei kai emena, exei kai esas. Eseis kanete to xeirismo poy nomizete oti antapokrinetai sthn eyaisqhsia poy deixnete, sth synesh thn opoia deixnete, kaqws xeirizesqe ena qema. Egw mporw na exw ena diaforetiko, isws, metro. Xeirotero, qa to krinete eseis. Isws diaforetiko. Giati prepei kai to diko moy metro na einai to idio metro poy xrhsimopoieite kai eseis; Kai sas kanei entypwsh, ean egw exw ena diaforetiko metro.

KACAMPELHS: Den eimai ekproswpos gia na sas apanthsw.

MARDAS: Eseis den exete agxos;

REPPAS: To diko moy agxos exei na kanei me to na apodwsei h Kybernhsh ergo, wste na yperaspisei ta eqnika mas symferonta kai na bohqhsei ton ellhniko lao na zhsei se kalyteres synqhkes. Ayth einai h prospaqeia h dikh mas k. Marda.

KACAMPELHS: To diko moy agxos einai na enhmerwsw ton ellhniko lao swsta.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Entajei. Kane thn erwthsh.

REPPAS: Oper edei deijai!

KACAMPELHS: Wraia!

REPPAS: Wraia! Mprabo!

KACAMPELHS: Gia na jeagxoqoyme! Eyqeia erwthsh: Ta praktika poy dhmosieyei shmera o ELEYQEROS TYPOS, ta diaceydete;

REPPAS: Den antapokrinontai plhrws sthn pragmatikothta sth syzhthsh poy egine sthn Epitroph ayth ths Boylhs. Einai mia koinoboyleytikh diadikasia, h opoia einai kleisth. Kai parakalw, ayto to qema exei kleisei. Mhn epanerxomaste.

KACAMPELHS: Se poio shmeio, k. Ypoyrge, den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta;

REPPAS: Apanthsa hdh, ke Kacampelh.

KACAMPELHS: Qelete na peite oti den einai ayta ta praktika;

REPPAS: Oxi...

KACAMPELHS: Giati to lete ayto; Dhmioyrgeite qema hqikhs tajews.

REPPAS: Kanena qema hqikhs tajews.

KACAMPELHS: Poios sas enhmerwse, o Prwqypoyrgos h o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn oti den einai ayta ta praktika; Exete diabasei ta praktika eseis proswpika;

REPPAS: Apanthsa hdh sto sygkekrimeno qema. Gia mas, to qema exei kleisei k. Kacampelh. Ta praktika twn syzhthsewn twn koinoboyleytikwn epitropwn, einai praktika twn koinoboyleytikwn epitropwn kai syzhtoyntai me enan tetoio tropo, poy en pash periptwsei qewrw oti emeis ton exoyme ejantlhsei (ton tropo me ton opoio mporoyme na syzhtoyme ayta ta qemata kai ta sygkekrimena praktika).

KACAMPELHS: Gia na teleiwnoyme kai na mhn epanerxomaste, den mporeite na diaceydete kat' ayton ton tropo.

REPPAS: Pws;

KACAMPELHS: Xwris na lete kati to sygkekrimeno.

REPPAS: Den antapokrinontai plhrws - epanalambanw kai pali - stis syzhthseis poy eginan ekei. Ayth einai h apanthsh poy edwsa.

KACAMPELHS: Poy;

REPPAS: Ma prepei na syzhthsoyme twra shmeio pros shmeio ola ta praktika epi olhs ths syzhthshs poy egine epi wres, ekei;

KACAMPELHS: Qa sas steilw ola ta praktika k. Ypoyrge.

REPPAS: Ta exw ypoch moy ta praktika k. Kacampelh. Kai tis apoceis oi opoies anaptyssontai ekei apo oles tis pleyres, apo Ypoyrgoys kai apo boyleytes olwn twn kommatwn. Den sas apantw kata tropo poy na sas ikanopoiei. Ayto omws den einai pros stenoxwria oyte dikh moy asfalws, alla den prepei oyte kai pros dikh sas stenoxwria na einai.

KACAMPELHS: Den ikanopoiei thn alhqeia.

REPPAS: Ke Kacampelh, to monopwlio yper ths alhqeias den to diaqetete eseis. Egw pisteyw oti oloi symballoyme sto na anadeixqei h alhqeia. Kai h alhqeia einai mia: O kaqenas exei to diko toy prisma. Alla sas parakalw poly, mhn amfisbhteite oti kai kapoioi alloi epidiwkoyn toylaxiston ta peri thn alhqeia. Eseis den to epidiwkete apla, to exete katorqwsei, isxyrizesqe. Kalws.

MIXAHL: Prokeitai na synelqei h Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK gia na syzhthsei tis ejelijeis sto qema twn Skopiwn; Nai h oxi;

REPPAS: Otan erqei h wra - epanalambanw kai pali - h Kybernhsh na labei tis apofaseis ths, qa krinei poioys alloys xeirismoys qa kanei en ocei aytwn twn apofasewn.

MIXAHL: Xqes o k. Shmiths eipe sth Boylh, oti h Ellada qa epimeinei kata th diadikasia ths Diakybernhtikhs sto na isxyei to beto. Wstoso, eyrwboyleytes toy PASOK, prosfatws, thrhsan diaforetikh stash sth diadikasia toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy. Ena sxolio ep' aytoy exete;

REPPAS: H qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs einai safhs kai kathgorhmatikh sta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs kai amynas, sta qemata ta opoia aptontai ths eqnikhs mas yparjhs kai poreias. H yparjh toy beto qewroyme oti einai aparaithth.

PARIS: O ekproswpos toy toyrkikoy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn ekane kapoies dhlwseis shmera, symfwna me tis opoies yparxei symfwnia metajy twn dyo ypoyrgeiwn Ejwterikwn Ellados kai Toyrkias...

REPPAS: "Symfwnia twn katsikiwn" opws thn onomase.

PARIS:...na taizontai ta katsikia mia apo th mia pleyra kai mia apo thn allh. Qa hqela na rwthsw, yparxei tetoia symfwnia;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kammia tetoia symfwnia. Eimai kathgorhmatikos kai parakalw na mhn mpoyme allo se "katsikologia"!

MPERMPERAKHS: Yphrje epafh metajy Ellados kai Toyrkias se opoiodhpote epipedo; Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, Ypoyrgeioy Amynhs, Epiteleioy;

REPPAS: Oxi, den yphrje epafh.

POLITHS: Mia dieykrinish qelw, k. Ypoyrge: Eipate oti enhmerwqhke o k. Nails, endexomenws apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Eipate omws, nwritera oti o boskos den parempodisthke. Gia poio pragma enhmerwsate ton k. Nails;

REPPAS: Gia to oti h Toyrkia, me thn paroysia ths sthn perioxh, ojynei akribws to klima kai dinei thn aisqhsh oti anaptyssei mia epiqetikh drasthriothta. An eixe enoxlhqei apo toys Toyrkoys, gia na erqw sthn erwthsh toy k. Mpermperakh, an eixame problhma me thn Toyrkia, qa eixame kanei diabhma pros thn Toyrkia. Gi' ayto akribws eipa, oti den eixame kammia epikoinwnia me thn Toyrkia. Alla, emeis den xanoyme thn eykairia na ypenqymizoyme se oloys...

POLITHS: Ara, anagnwrizete oti yphrje symban;

REPPAS: To symban einai to oti akribws kapoios boskos kinhqhke na paei pros th braxonhsi- da kai fobhqeis epestrece. Ayto pws na to poyme; Einai ena gegonos, mia prajh. Einai kati poy synebh. M' ayth thn ennoia.

POLITHS: Epimenete oti den parempodisthke;

REPPAS: Bebaiws.

SOYGLERHS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia tis dhlwseis ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn ths Italias kas Anieli, poy milwntas stoys dhmosiografoys eipe oti den mporei na kanei tipota h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia to qema twn Skopiwn.

REPPAS: Ma to qema twn Skopiwn - kai anaferesqe sto eidikotero qema ths onomasias toy geitonikoy kratoys - gnwrizete pws antimetwpizetai sto plaisio toy OHE, stis syzhthseis poy ginontai ypo ton k. Bans. To qema, akribws, brisketai, loipon, sth dikaiodosia toy OHE.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Symfwneite me tis aitiaseis poy dietypwse o Ypoyrgos Ygeias gia seira tomewn ths kybernhtikhs politikhs kai en prokeimenw: symfwneite me thn apoch poy ejefrase oti yphrje epidejia parasiwphsh twn ayjhsewn ths DEH poy apofasise to kalokairi h Epitroph Timwn kai Eisodhmatwn; Kaqws epishs kai me thn apoch oti to Ypoyrgeio Typoy - ean o rolos toy ejantleitai se kaqhmerines synenteyjeis kai proagwgh dhmosiwn sxesewn ths Kybernhshs - den mporei na xarajei politikh oysiwdh; Kai oti gia ta Mesa Enhmerwshs den exei logo yparjews;

REPPAS: Meinate se dyo mono shmeia, ta opoia me kaleite na sxoliasw...

PAPADOPOYLOS: An qelete kai ta ypoloipa.

REPPAS: Prepei na pw oti o k. Peponhs, ena ejairetika probelbhmeno kai ikano stelexos ths Kybernhshs mas, dietypwse tis apoceis toy. O k. Peponhs exei diatelesei gia para poly megalo xroniko diasthma epi Kybernhsewn PASOK Ypoyrgos. Exei dwsei deigma grafhs kai apotelesmatikothtas sto ergo toy. Bebaiws, ta qemata ta opoia epishmainei, exoyn teqei kai apo alloys, den einai h prwth fora. Einai gnwsto oti exei eipwqei apo thn idia th DEH oti h Epitroph Timwn kai Eisodhmatwn apo to kalokairi eixe asxolhqei me to qema twn timologiwn twn Organismwn kai idiaiterws ths DEH. Kai kammia parasiwphsh den yphrxe, doqentos oti h idia h Kybernhsh milhse gia ayto to qema. Apo thn allh, oloi katalabainoyn pws me tis nees synqhkes oi opoies diamorfwnontai me thn yperanaptyjh twn Meswn Enhmerwshs, xreiazetai h Politeia na diamorfwsei mia synolikh tetoia politikh, wste na yparxoyn isorropies, poy xwris na ypokaqistoyn to rolo poy exei h politikh hgesia apo to rolo h tis drasthriothtes poy anaptyssoyn alloi foreis, qa dinei th dynatothta se synqhkes eleyqerias, polyfwnias, eleyqerotypias na anaptyssontai men oi apoceis, alla kai h Politeia na exei nomoys oi opoioi na ginontai sebastoi, wste na yparxei eyrryqmh leitoyrgia se ayth thn Politeia.

DHMAKAS: Pws h Kybernhsh skeptetai na diasfalisei kai na prowqhsei ta symferonta idiwtwn ths sthn perioxh ths Imia;

REPPAS: Apanthsame k. Dhmaka se ayto to qema.

DHMAKAS: Pws sygkekrimena;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh kai palaiotera sto plaisio twn politikwn poy anaptyssei to Ypoyrgeio Aigaioy, alla kai alla Ypoyrgeia edw apo thn Aqhna, me anaptyjiaka metra exei bohqhsei sthn perioxh na dhmioyrghqoyn nees synqhkes gia toys katoikoys ths perioxhs. Alla kai twra prepei na sas pw oti yparxoyn skeceis, wste na antimetwpisoyme akribws tis diastaseis twn symferontwn twn idiwtwn. Qa ekponhsoyme mia politikh, h opoia qa stoxeyei kai s' ayto akribws to eqniko qema, to opoio qetete eseis.

DHMAKAS: Eixe kapoia antidrash o k. Nails sta osa toy eipate;

REPPAS: O k. Nails akoyse ayta poy h ellhnikh pleyra toy ejeqese kai anelabe na ta metaferei.
Sas eyxaristw.