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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 6/3/96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes kai thn Paraskeyh (1/3) - nomizw - rwthqhkate gia to qema epi twn ejelijewn sto Skopiano, me aformh toso th synanthsh toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn kai ton Monimo Antiproswpo ths Ellados sta Hnwmena Eqnh Presbh k. Zaxarakh, oso kai xqes sth syzhthsh sto KYSEA. Eipate oti den yparxei kammia ejelijh. Foboymai omws oti yparxei kai ena stoixeio paraplhroforhshs. Apo thn Amerikh erxontai oi eidhseis oti kai xqes sto KYSEA syzhthqhke to qema kai oti exei pesei h idea toy "Nova Macedonia" apo thn allh pleyra, idea h opoia protiqetai na ginei apodekth kai apo thn ellhnikh pleyra. Deyteron, yparxei mia synenteyjh toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Q. Pagkaloy se o,ti afora ta ellhno-toyrkika, h opoia dhmosieyetai shmera kai fobamai oti yparxoyn diarroes apo ayth th synenteyjh poy leei oti an oi Toyrkoi aposyroyn th stratia toy Aigaioy, qa apostratiwtiko- poihqoyn kai ta ellhnika nhsia. Prokeitai - opws antilambanesqe - gia dyo para poly shmantika qemata. Xqes mas eipate oti den yparxei kammia ejelijh. Einai, pantws, periergo na erxontai oi eidhseis apo thn Amerikh gia to ti syzhthqhke sto KYSEA xqes to prwi kai sth synexeia to meshmeri na mhn mas lete tipota.

REPPAS: Sth xqesinh enhmerwsh, metajy allwn, eipa - kai prepei na to qymaste - oti egine syzhthsh gia ta eqnika mas problhmata. Metajy twn allwn egine syzhthsh kai gia to Skopiano.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Rwthqhkate, omws, amesws meta, an yparxei tipote kainoyrgio kai eipate "kanena kainoyrgio stoixeio".

REPPAS: Epanerxomai: Egine syzhthsh kai gia to Skopiano. Hdh, gnwrizete oti einai se ejelijh o dialogos poy diejagetai ypo thn aigida toy OHE (ypo ton k. Bans). Exei hdh kleisei enas kyklos. Anamenontai ta symperasmata apo tis syzhthseis aytes, ta opoia prepei na diatypwsei o k. Bans. Me ayth thn ennoia, den yparxei kapoia ejelijh wste na qewreitai pws eimaste en ocei ths lhchs kapoiwn apofasewn poly sygkekrimenwn gia poly sygkekrimena qemata. Nomizw oti h apanthsh moy htan para poly safhs. Ws pros thn synenteyjh toy k. Pagkaloy, qa parakaloysa na anameinoyme na problhqei h ekpomph me thn synenteyjh ayth, pragma poy den egine xqes. Kai prepei na sas pw oti den exoyn apodoqei swsta oi fraseis toy k. Pagkaloy h oi apanthseis poy edwse sto sxetiko erwthma. O k. Pagkalos, proballontas tis ellhnikes qeseis, eipe oti synista apeilh h yparjh ths 4hs stratias (Aigaioy, opws thn onomazei h Toyrkia) enantion twn ellhnikwn nhsiwn. Kai h aposyrsh h h katarghsh ths einai mia xeironomia h opoia qa ektimhqei apo thn ellhnikh pleyra. Alla, bebaiws, me aformh to erwthma sas kai en sxesei me thn synenteyjh ayth ston Toyrko dhmosiografo, qa hqela na epishmanqei h probolh twn ellhnikwn qesewn sth geitonikh xwra kai ta peistika epixeirhmata ths ellhnikhs pleyras, ta opoia kata thn omologia toy idioy toy dhmosiografoy opws anaferetai sth sxetikh prodhmosieysh, apodeiknyetai oti qewroyntai pragmati peistika kai isxyra. Kai ayto prepei na to epishmanoyme.

POYLIDOY: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Se sxesh me to prwto skelos ths apanthsews sas, o Prwqypoyrgos, kata thn prosfath synenteyjh toy sto Zappeio, eipe - apantwntas se sxetikh erwthsh - oti an sto qema twn Skopiwn shmeiwqei oysiwdhs proodos, to qema ayto qa epanelqei pros syzhthsh sta armodia kybernhtika organa. Kai to erwthma einai an xqes (kata th syzhthsh sto KYSEA) eixame tetoia proodo, wste na elqei to zhthma pros syzhthsh, opws allwste eixe pei o Prwqypoyrgos kata th synenteyjh toy sto Zappeio (29/2);

REPPAS: Sta kybernhtika organa, ka Poylidoy, ta megala qemata asfalws syzhtoyntai. Dioti ta kybernhtika organa synedriazoyn pleon taktikotata kai apasxoloyntai me ayta ta qemata. Pisteyw oti an yparjei ayth h ejelijh thn opoia yponoeite kai en ocei ths opoias prepei na lhfqoyn telikes apofaseis, qa yparjei sygkekrimenh synedriash gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

POYLIDOY: H opoia den htan h xqesinh;

REPPAS: H opoia den htan h xqesinh.

KIAOS: Eipate prohgoymenws "den exoyn apodoqei swsta oi apanthseis toy k. Pagkaloy" (anaferomai sth synenteyjh poy edwse). Mporeite na prosdiorisete poia shmeia den exoyn apodoqei swsta kai apo poion den apodoqhkan;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, to reportaz h to deltio poy exei ekdoqei, milaei gia "afoplismo twn nhsiwn". Jerete poly kala oti yparxei apo thn pleyra toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn mia apanthsh gia to sygkekrimeno qema, gia th sygkekrimenh diatypwsh. Qa hqela na perimenoyme thn ekpomph ths sygkekrimenhs synenteyjhs, wste...

POYLIDOY: Syggnwmh poy sas diakoptoyme, kyrie Ypoyrge, alla den yparxei sygkekrimenh apanthsh apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

REPPAS: Yparxei ena sxolio oti den exoyn apodoqei akribws ayta poy eipe o k. Pagkalos.

POYLIDOY: "Kykloi toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn...."

REPPAS: Qa hqela na meinoyme s' ayto. As anameinoyme epishs thn probolh ths ekpomphs.

APOSTOLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sas rwthsw an yparxei kapoio xronodia- gramma, kapoio orio entos toy opoioy o k. Bans qa katalhjei sto porisma toy gia tis apofaseis toy. Kai deyteron, ean h Kybernhsh qewrei aparaithto gia th lhch ths telikhs apofashs sxetika me to onoma twn Skopiwn, na sygkalesei to Symboylio Arxhgwn to opoio eixe parei thn prohgoymenh apofash.

REPPAS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh qewrei pws to qema ayto antimetwpizetai me to dialogo o opoios - epanalambanw - brisketai se ejelijh. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh prokeimenoy na yparjei - an erqei ekeinh h stigmh - telikh apofash, asfalws qa ejantlhsei oles tis dynatothtes oi opoies parexontai wste na sygkrothqei to eyrytero politiko metwpo (ena eqniko metwpo, kata kapoio tropo) prokeimenoy na doqei apanthsh sto sygkekrimeno erwthma sto opoio qa klhqoyme na apanthsoyme ws xwra pleon.

APOSTOLOPOYLOS: Gia ton k. Bans den mas eipate, an yparxei kapoio orio xroniko.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti to qema brisketai se ejelijh. Den yparxei kapoio sygkekrimeno orio. O dialogos brisketai se ejelijh.

MIXAHL: O k. Pagkalos, s' ayth th synenteyjh opws apodoqhke h opws qa apodoqei, diatypwnei tessereis protaseis. Egw qelw na rwthsw: Pote apofasisqhkan ws politikh apenanti sthn Toyrkia aytes oi tessereis protaseis; Phrate thn apofash twra; Einai proswpikes apoceis toy k. Pagkaloy; Syzhthqhkan sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph h sto KYSEA;

REPPAS: Kyrie Mixahl, eisqe apo toys enhmerwmenoys dhmosiografoys kai gnwrizete oti oi qeseis aytes einai qeseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs gia thn apo koinoy prosfygh sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs prokeimenoy na antimetwpisqei kai lyqei to qema ths yfalokrhpidas. Einai kati - fantazomai - poy den to akoyte gia prwth fora. Opws epishs h me prwtoboylia ths Toyrkias prosfygh ths sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisqei to qema poy h Toyrkia exei egeirei, oson afora thn ellhnikh kyriarxia epi ths braxonhsidos Imia. Nomizw oti ayta einai qemata ta opoia exoyme syzhthsei kai pali, einai gnwstes oi qeseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs. Qeseis safeis oi opoies paramenoyn.

MIXAHL: Epitrecte moy na epimeinw.

REPPAS: Parakalw.

MIXAHL: Bebaiws kai einai gnwstes oi qeseis aytes ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs. Wstoso, th qesh epi ths 4hs stratias h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh mexri twra den thn eixe diatypwsei dhmosiws. O k. Pagkalos, loipon, diatypwnei ayth th qesh ws proswpikh toy apoch h ws qesh poy apofasisthke se kapoia apo tis teleytaies syzhthseis sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph h sto KYSEA;

REPPAS: Einai qesh olwn twn Ellhnikwn Kybernhsewn oti h 4h stratia toy Aigaioy apotelei apeilh gia thn eqnikh mas kyriarxia, gia ta ellhnika nhsia idiaiterws. Einai gnwstes aytes oi qeseis. T.

MPERMPERAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, anejarthta apo th swsth apodosh h mh h anejarthta apo thn probolh h mh (opws mas eipate prohgoymenws) qelw na mas peite th qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos.

REPPAS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh qewrei pws epeidh akribws synista apeilh h yparjh ths stratias toy Aigaioy gia ta ellhnika nhsia, prepei h Toyrkia na apofasisei th dialysh h aposyrsh ths. Kai ayto qa ektimhqei analoga apo thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh. T.

MPERMPERAKHS: S' ayth thn periptwsh, h Ellada qa apostratiwtikopoihsei...

REPPAS: Exw hdh apanthsei.

GARGALAKOS: Syggnwmh, kyrie Ypoyrge, gia na katalabainoyme oloi, jeroyme epeidh Ellhnes eimaste oloi oti sta nhsia epishma o stratos ypotiqetai oti den yparxei. Gi' ayto kai palia osoi exoyme yphrethsei se nhsia, foroysame h stolh xwrofylaka h kati allo telos pantwn. Ara, den syndeetai to ena me to allo;

REPPAS: Sta nhsia yparxoyn dynameis eswterikhs asfaleias, einai gnwsto ayto. Kai peran toytoy, oi qeseis ths Kybernhshs einai gnwstes, wste na mhn xreiazetai na epanerxomaste se ayta ta qemata, giati ta exoyme syzhthsei leptomereiakws kat' epanalhch.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na rwthsw ean yparxei ontws to qema toy onomatos "Nova Macedonia".

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti o dialogos gyrw apo to qema ths onomasias, einai enas dialogos o opoios ejelissetai edw kai arketo kairo. Kai bebaiws apo thn pleyra toy k. Bans exei ginei proseggish kai se ayto to qema me thn paraqesh isws kapoiwn protasewn. Alla einai allo ayto kai allo to qema to opoio exei teqei kai afora akribws to krisimo shmeio sto opoio kata thn erwthsh ypotiqetai oti briskomaste en ocei ths telikhs mas qeshs. Einai mia qesh, allwste, thn opoia - qa moy epitrecete na pw me thn eykairia ayth - eixe prokrinei ws qesh ths h Nea Dhmokratia h opoia miloyse sto parelqon yper ths epiloghs toy legomenoy "megaloy paketoy". "Paketoy" dhladh, to opoio se ayth thn syzhthsh - oionei diapragmateysh perielambane kai to qema ths onomasias.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Kai kati akoma symplhrwmatiko: An qymamai kala, o Prwqypoyrgos sth synenteyjh toy sto Zappeio (29/2), eipe oti den qa dexqei onoma me th lejh "Makedonia" h paragwga ths h kanw laqos;

REPPAS: Oi qeseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs einai qeseis gnwstes k. Zerbonikolakh. Kai einai oi qeseis me tis opoies exei proselqei s' ayth th diapragmateysh h ellhnikh pleyra. Kai me aytes tis qeseis diapragmateyetai h ellhnikh pleyra.

MOYRTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, na symplhrwsw thn erwthsh toy k. Zerbonikolakh; To qema ayto syzhthqhke sto KYSEA h sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio xqes;

REPPAS: Kyrie Moyrth, molis mphkate sthn aiqoysa, nomizw. Gi' ayto akribws qa sas parapemcw sta praktika. Eisqe neos kai den koyrazesqe na meletate ta praktika!

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws exei lhfqei kapoia apofash gia to onoma kai desmeyetai h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Den exei lhfqei kammia apofash.

KIAOS: Epeidh grafetai shmera oti kata th syzhthsh sto KYSEA ejedhlwqhsan antidraseis h antirrhseis orismenwn Ypoyrgwn...

REPPAS: Den yphrjan oyte antirrhseis, oyte antidraseis, apo oydena. Yphrje mia antallagh apocewn sto synolo twn eqnikwn mas problhmatwn kai qematwn. Metajy twn allwn, kai sto sygkekrimeno qema. Gi'ayta omws exoyme hdh milhsei kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres, alla kai shmera - pisteyw - arketa.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na epanelqw sth synenteyjh toy k. Pagkaloy. Qa parakalesw gia mia safh apanthsh. Eipate oti ean h Toyrkia aposyrei thn 4h Stratia, qa to ektimhsei h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh. Qa to ektimhsei qewrhtikws h empraktws; Qa kanoyme dhladh kai emeis kapoia energeia; Apokleiete safws, to apokleiei h Kybernhsh, to aporriptei to endexomeno ayto poy periegrafh ws qesh toy k. Pagkaloy gia thn apostratiwtikopoihsh twn nhsiwn; Aporriptetai ayto safws;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti gia na erqoyme sto xroniko ekeino shmeio, sto opoio prepei na ekdhlwqei h ellhnikh antidrash, prepei na proyparjei prwtoboylia ths Toyrkias. As yparjei prwtoboylia ths Toyrkias kai tote h ellhnikh antidrash qa sas ginei gnwsth.

MAYROS: Ma twra to leei "qa ektimhsei". Paizoyme "kryftoyli"... Twra to leei...

REPPAS: Kyrie Mayro, "kryftoyli" otan eimai edw ekteqeimenos stoys fakoys;

MAYROS: Kai omws, praktikws (den akoygetai). Otan leei h Kybernhsh oti qa ektimhqei h aposyrsh ths 4hs Stratias shmainei oti exei kati sygkekrimeno. (Den akoygetai). An pame stis efhmerides me ena "qa ektimhqei", qa mas baloyn stoys tenekedes.

REPPAS: Malista. Kai prepei egw na exw th dikh sas agwnia kai to diko sas agxos gia to pws qa sas antimetwpisoyn oi Proistamenoi sas; Parakalw poly!

MAYROS: Oxi, den to metaferw ayto, alla epikalesqeite kapoioys logoys. Oxi etsi...

REPPAS: Oi xeirismoi aytoi, kyrie Mayro, einai leptoi xeirismoi. Prepei na yparjei mia sygkekrimenh prajh, gia na mporesei na ajiologhqei ayth h prajh. Prin yparjei ayth h prajh, zhtate eseis na yparjei ajiologhsh ek twn proterwn kai na prosdioristei poia qa einai h dikh mas antidrash. Pisteyw oti einai xarakthristikh periptwsh opoy bazoyme "to karo prin apo to alogo".

FILHS: H Kybernhsh krinei skopimo na ginei ayth h anafora ek meroys toy k. Pagkaloy sta Thleoptika Mesa Enhmerwshs ayth thn periodo;

REPPAS: To ekrine skopimo o k. Pagkalos kai h synenteyjh ayth otan problhqei qa einai eis gnwsh olwn mas kai tote kai eseis qa bgalete ta symperasmata sas.

FILHS: An h Kybernhsh to krinei skopimo...;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh den mporei na elegxei tis prwtoboylies poy analambanoyn oi Ypoyrgoi dinontas synenteyjeis. H Kybernhsh qewrei oti oi Ypoyrgoi dinontas synenteyjeis ekfrazoyn thn politikh thn opoia askoyn sta Ypoyrgeia toys.

FILHS: Dhladh, h prwtoboylia toy k. Pagkaloy na kanei ayth th dhlwsh sta toyrkika Mesa Enhmerwshs, ekfrazei mia genikoterh kybernhtikh politikh;

REPPAS: H prwtoboylia toy k. Pagkaloy na dwsei synenteyjh se toyrkika Mesa Enhmerwshs htan prwtoboylia toy k. Pagkaloy ws Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs.

FILHS: Me th sygkekrimenh topoqethsh, ekfrazei mia genikoterh kybernhtikh politikh;

REPPAS: Ekfrazei thn topoqethsh toy k. Pagkaloy ws Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn.

GARGALAKOS: Na paw se ena allo qema. Exete kapoio sxolio gia th dikastikh diwjh kata toy k. Tsobola;

REPPAS: O k. Tsobolas, o opoios apolambanei ths agaphs kai ths timhs olwn mas gia th dokimasia thn opoia exei ypostei kai sthn opoia toy exoyme symparastaqei, me kaqe tropo, qewroyme oti opws exei apodeixqei allwste ek twn pragmatwn einai enas politikos poy oydemia eyqynh efere gia osa ton kathgoroysan. Peran toytoy, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, prepei na pw oti qewrw ta peri "politikhs alhteias" ta opoia anefere o k. Tsobolas, ws yperboles, oi opoies pisteyw oti blaptoyn toys politikoys kai th xwra otan xrhsimopoioyntai. T.

MPERMPERAKHS: Qa epanelqw sto prohgoymeno qema. Yparxoyn shmeia ths synenteyjhs toy k. Pagkaloy poy den ekfrazoyn thn Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Anameinate thn ekpomph ths synenteyjhs ayths, kyrie Mpermperakh, kai qa ejagete ta symperasmata sas.

MIXAHL: Dwste mas mia dieykrinish...

REPPAS: Oi politikoi ekfrazoyn thn politikh thn opoia askoyn sta Ypoyrgeia toys. Gia onoma toy Qeoy!

MIXAHL: Eisqe o armodios Ypoyrgos Typoy kai qa hqela mia aplh dieykrinish. Pote, an gnwrizete, qa metadoqei ayth h synenteyjh apo ta toyrkika Mesa Enhmerwshs;

REPPAS: Ayto poy gnwrizw, gia na sas dieykolynw, einai oti den metedoqh xqes opws eixe programmatisqei, logw fortoy ylhs. Einai mia ekfrash thn opoia xrhsimopoieite eseis. Epeidh yphrjan politikes ejelijeis sthn Toyrkia, yphrjan dhlwseis, omilies ths kyrias Tsiler, toy k. Gilmaz, moy egine gnwsto oti qa metadoqei tis epomenes hmeres, xwris na exei prosdiorisqei akribws h hmera ekpomphs ayths ths synenteyjhs.

KOGIANNHS: "Qyma" ths Tsiler o k. Pagkalos, dhladh;

REPPAS: Sthn thleorash, nai. Alla o kosmos ths thleorashs den einai o pragmatikos kosmos.

POYLIDOY: Eginan parembaseis apo thn ellhnikh pleyra pros to toyrkiko kanali;

REPPAS: H ellhnikh pleyra den exei kanena logo na kanei parembaseis pros ta toyrkika kanalia...

APOSTOLOPOYLOS: Edw den kanei sta ellhnika kanalia...

REPPAS: ... kaq'oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei mia tetoia stash sebomenh thn polyfwnia kai thn enhmerwsh, wste na meinei aproskopth h leitoyrgia twn ellhnikwn kanaliwn. T.

MPERMPERAKHS: Mia diadikastikh erwthsh: Ean o k. Pagkalos eixe protimhsei antapokrites, diapisteymenoys sthn Ellada, sigoyra qa eixe kalyterh tyxh h synenteyjh toy!

REPPAS: Einai enas isxyrismos, ton opoio prepei na metaferete ston k. Pagkalo. Na doyme an symfwnei h an ton amfisbhtei. Ws xaritologhma qetete ayto to erwthma. O Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn mias xwras einai ek twn pragmatwn, eis mia qesh toso ychlh, wste prepei ekeinos na apofasizei, na epilegei me poio tropo qa gnwstopoiei tis qeseis kai apoceis toy.

KOYIN: Eseis exete dei th synenteyjh toy k. Pagkaloy;

REPPAS: Egw proswpikws, oxi.

KOYIN: Antigrafo exete diabasei;

REPPAS: Egw proswpikws, den eimai gnwsths ths synenteyjhs ayths sthn olothta ths.
*** Ayrio to briefing qa ginei kanonika, stis 13.00, edw, sthn Aiqoysa Typoy. Sas eyxaristw poly.