BRIEFING 14-02-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 14.2.96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sxoliasete dhmosieymata toy shmerinoy Typoy peri apoxwrhsews Ellhnwn stratiwtwn apo tis braxonhsides kai idiaitera gia to nhsi ths Rw.

REPPAS: Apanthsa s'ayto to qema xqes. Aplws epanerxomai me ena sxolio oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh kanei ta panta, wste na proaspisei thn eqnikh kyriarxia kai thn edafikh akeraiothta kai sta sygkekrimena nhsia. Peran toytoy, parakalw para poly, gia toso eidika qemata ta opoia aforoyn thn eqnikh mas amyna, as mhn kanoyme parapera ektetamenes syzhthseis, epeidh oi xeirismoi apaitoyn leptothta kai eyaisqhsia. Ayto poy menei, einai oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh diasfalizei me ton kalytero tropo thn eqnikh kyriarxia kai thn akeraiothta sth sygkekrimenh perioxh.

GARGALAKOS: To periexomeno twn synanthsewn toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo kai toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy kai pali me ton k. Arsenh afora qemata apokatastashs synergasias anamesa s'aytoys toys paragontes ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: H frash "apokatastash synergasias" ejyponoei oti den yparxei synergasia kai prepei na apokatastaqei. Exw dhlwsei kat'epanalhch oti yparxei synergasia. Yparxoyn apoceis oi opoies diatypwnontai kai yparxei h synqesh twn apocewn, otan aytes einai diaforetikes. H synergasia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys Ypoyrgoys toy kai oxi mono, qa einai monimh kai diarkhs. Kai kapoia stigmh - epanalambanw kati poy ej arxhs exw pei - ayth h synergasia qa pacei na apotelei eidhsh.

GARGALAKOS: Qa syzhthsoyn, kyrie Ypoyrge...

REPPAS: ... qemata armodiothtas twn Ypoyrgwn.

GARGALAKOS: ... qemata kybernhtika h kai qemata...

REPPAS: Qemata kybernhtika. Oi synanthseis aytes toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy entassontai sta plaisia ths synergasias toy me toys Ypoyrgoys.

MOYRTHS: Ta qemata katanomhs twn armodiothtwn sta sygkekrimena Ypoyrgeia, einai antikeimeno twn shmerinwn synanthsewn;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti h syzhthsh ayth qa anaferetai se mia seira qematwn ta opoia apasxoloyn tis armodiothtes twn Ypoyrgwn, me toys opoioys qa synergastei o k. Prwqypoyr- gos. Metajy twn allwn, nomizw oti logiko einai na antimetwpisqei kai to sygkekrimeno qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pote o k. Karatzas qa paei sthn Eqnikh Trapeza;

REPPAS: Eyqys ws h topoqethsh toy egkriqei apo thn armodia Koinoboyleytikh Epitroph.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Paraithqhke o k. Mirkos, telika;

REPPAS: O k. Mirkos - einai hdh gnwsto kai exei eipwqei - aperxetai apo thn Eqnikh Trapeza kai sth qesh toy topoqeteitai o k. Karatzas

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den paraithqhke;

REPPAS: Ma, h Eqnikh Trapeza exei kapoion epikefalhs kai shmera. Otan topoqethqei o k. Karatzas, o k. Mirkos den qa einai Dioikhths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, kyrie Ypoyrge, qa toy katablhqoyn oi misqoi gia to ypoloipo ths qhteias toy; Ayto qelw na rwthsw.

REPPAS: Ti ennoeite; Oti dhmioyrgeitai terastio kostos gia to ellhniko dhmosio kai eseis khdomenoi aytwn twn ejodwn, qelete na payqei shmera o k. Mirkos;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den eipa "na payqei".

REPPAS: Giati yparxei ena allo epixeirhma, oti enas megalos pistwtikos Organismos, opws h Eqnikh Trapeza, kalo einai na exei ton epikefalhs ths, na mhn einai dhladh akefalh, dioti lambanontai apofaseis krisimes ana pasa stigmh. Ara, xreiazetai na exei thn hgesia ths.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Xqes, o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Qeodwros Pagkalos eipe oti den htan enhmeros otan to Ellhniko Polemiko Naytiko phge kai katebase thn toyrkikh shmaia kai ycwse thn ellhnikh.

REPPAS: Poy to eipe o k. Pagkalos ayto;

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Sth Diarkh Koinoboyleytikh Epitroph Ejwterikwn Ypoqesewn, etsi dierreyse.

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti o dialogos den einai akribhs etsi opws apedoqh. H syzhthsh se mia Epitroph toy Ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy einai syzhthsh kekleismenwn twn qyrwn. Den sxoliazw tis syzhthseis aytes, einai mia pagia arxh. Alla mporw na sxoliasw ws genikh qesh to oti oi xeirismoi me thn taxythta me thn opoia eprepe na ginoyn ekeinh thn periodo ths ellhnotoyrkikhs entashs, den apokleiw kaqoloy na exoyn odhghsei se mia - qa elega - "meiwmenh gnwsh" gia thn paramikrh leptomereia twn xeirismwn aytwn apo kapoioys paragontes ths Kybernhshs. Den to apokleiw. Einai kati - epanalambanw kai pali - poy to diatypwnw ws genikh qesh, gia na mhn yparxei paranohsh. Giati gia tis syzhthseis poy kaname xqes edw, yphrjan polles paranohseis shmera se dhmosieymata kai sxolia kai me thn eykairia ayth qelw na to pw.

MAYROS: Alhqeyei dhmosieyma apogeymatinhs efhmeridas - ths AYRIANHS sygkekrimena - symfwna me to opoio o dieyqynths toy idiaiteroy grafeioy toy k. Pagkaloy phge sth Nea Yorkh thn 27h Ianoyarioy (treis meres prin apo thn krish) akribws epeidh qewrhqhke oti exei prosbaseis sthn Amerikanikh Kybernhsh kai gi'ayto htan katallhlos na bohqhsei stoys xeirismoys toy qematos;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw th leptomereia toy qematos to opoio qigete. Pisteyw omws oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei kaqe logo, sta plaisia twn xeirismwn kai twn diplwmatikwn energeiwn ths, na antimetwpisei me ton prosforotero tropo, to problhma to opoio exei anakycei. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema to opoio h efhmerida anaferei (den jerw me bash poies plhrofories kai basei poiwn phgwn tis exei) den exw na kanw kanena allo sxolio. Apolytws kanena allo sxolio.

MAYROS: An anameixqhke kaq'oiondhpote tropo o k. Lamprinidhs (dieyqynths - epanalambanw - toy idiaiteroy grafeioy toy k. Pagkaloy) ekeines tis meres, tiqetai qema (kai apo ekei proerxontai...

REPPAS: Ta qemata, kyrie Mayro, toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, ta antimetwpizei h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy kai o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn.

MAYROS: Parakalw, kyrie Ypoyrge, na oloklhrwsw - den me afhsate - thn erwthsh moy.

REPPAS: Parakalw!

MAYROS: Elega loipon, oti tiqetai qema empistosynhs apo meroys ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs pros ton Presbeyth mas sthn Oyasigktwn k. Loyka Tsila.

REPPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, den yparxei kanena tetoio qema. Apolytws.

POYLIDOY: Hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Den jerete - etsi mas eipate - an o k. Pagkalos to egnwrize, to qema poy eqese o k.Zerbonikolakhs. O Prwqypoyrgos to egnwrize h to emaqe ws tetelesmeno;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos symmeteixe sthn syskech toy KYSEA poy elabe orismenes apofaseis. Oi apofaseis aytes eixan stoxo poly sygkekrimeno: thn apemplokh twn stratiwtikwn dynamewn. Oi xeirismoi poy eginan gia na odhghqoyme s'ayto ton stoxo, opws apodeixqhke epityxws, einai xeirismoi oi opoioi einai gnwstoi. Kai nomizw oti epi toy qematos yparxei ypereparkestath enhmerwsh. Parakalw, mhn epanerxomaste.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den anaferomaste sto KYSEA. Anaferomaste sthn paroysia toy stoloy gyrw apo...

REPPAS: Kyria Poylidoy, epi olwn aytwn twn qematwn exoyn ginei ektetamenes syzhthseis olh ayth thn periodo. Parakalw, mhn epanerxomaste. Exoyn apanthqei ola ta qemata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh einai eyxaristhmenh apo th nea amerikanikh dieykrinish gia to qema ths Xaghs;

REPPAS: Gia thn prwtoboylia twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn, apo thn prwth mera - qa deite ta praktika ths syzhthshs mas ths 7hs Febroyarioy - exw dhlwsei oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh thn antimetwpizei me qetiko mati...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, edw exoyme...

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, milw sygkekrimena. Qa moy epitrecete na sas apanthsw sygkekrimena:
* H Ellada epi polla xronia exei mia pagia kai eniaia qesh: Prospaqoyme na ejasfalisoyme th symfwnia ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas se mia monimh anafora ths sto Dieqnes Dikaio kai stis Dieqneis Symfwnies. Telikws, eidame oti shmantika organa (h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai jenes Kybernhseis) alla kai, molis teleytaiws, h Amerikanikh Kybernhsh diatypwse mia qesh yper ths anagkhs na sebomaste oloi to Dieqnes Dikaio kai tis Dieqneis Symfwnies. Me ayth thn ennoia, qewroyme oti yparxei mia shmantikh prowqhsh twn ellhnikwn qesewn sth Dieqnh Koinothta.
-Gia thn Ellada, to kaqestws sto Aigaio einai safes kai den epidexetai kammia amfisbhthsh. Gi' ayto akribws, h Ellada den protiqetai na analabei opoiadhpote prwtoboylia. Bebaiws, otan anaferetai kapoios sto Dieqnes Dikaio, anaferetai taytoxronws kai stis diadikasies efarmoghs toy Dikaioy aytoy alla kai sta organa ta opoia diakperaiwnoyn aytes tis diadikasies, as moy epitrapei na pw.
-H Toyrkia an pragmatika (epeidh ayth dhmioyrgei to gnwsto problhma) dexetai na einai symfwnh me toys kanones ths swsths symperiforas (kanones poy sebontai dhladh to Dieqnes Dikaio kai tis Dieqneis Symbaseis) as analabei ekeinh thn prwtoboylia ths prosfyghs. Me ayth thn ennoia, ayth h pagia ellhnikh qesh, qewroyme oti ikanopoieitai apo th qesh - opws diatypwqhke teleytaiws - ths Kybernhshs twn HPA.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Emena, me exoyn mperdecei oi Amerikanoi. Alles dhlwseis ekane o k. Xolmproyk, alla eipe o k. Klinton, meta o Ekproswpos, jana pali o Ekproswpos. H teleytaia, poy egine shmera, ikanopoiei thn Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh ikanopoieitai. Egw den ekproswpw thn Amerikanikh Kybernhsh. H Amerikanikh Kybernhsh ekfrazei th dikh ths politikh. Qa moy epitrecete na pw omws, oti perissotero mperdemenh apo oloys apodeiknyetai oti einai h paratajh ths Neas Dhmokratias. H Nea Dhmokratia, h opoia qa eprepe ayta ta qemata na ta antimetwpizei...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite, alla den ekproswpw thn Nea Dhmokratia!

REPPAS: Den eipa pws thn ekproswpeite!

GARGALAKOS: Taso, giati apologeisai;(!)

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den apologoymai egw! Den exw problhma tetoio!

REPPAS: Asfalws den thn ekproswpeite! Den qa eixa kanena logo na sas... ekqesw, na sas anaqesw... tetoio baros!
* Loipon, nomizw oti h Nea Dhmokratia qa eprepe na einai poly pio prosektikh sto na ejetasei th qesh twn jenwn Kybernhsewn alla kai thn ellhnikh antidrash se aytes tis qeseis. Kai na mhn epidiwkei, prokeimenoy na apokomisei mikrokommatika kerdh, na katafeygei se dhlwseis h praktikes oi opoies oysiastikws yponomeyoyn thn prospaqeia na dwsoyme thn pleon symferoysa eqnika lysh se problhmata ta opoia anakyptoyn ek twn pragmatwn. Epitrepetai h Nea Dhmokratia, sto plaisio mias antipoliteytikhs taktikhs, na "ajiopoiei" isws problhmata poy yparxoyn se oloys toys tomeis. Pisteyw omws oti stoys tomeis ths ejwterikhs politikhs kai ths eqnikhs amynas eis oydena epitrepetai na epidiwkei thn apokomish tetoiwn mikrokommati- kwn kerdwn. Kai me aythn thn ennoia, diafwnoyme plhrws me th stash ayth ths Neas Dhmokratias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: En katakleidi, eimaste ikanopoihmenoi apo thn teleytaia dhlwsh twn HPA;

REPPAS: Ma, otan emeis miloyme gia thn anagkh na sebomaste oloi to Dieqnes Dikaio, tis Dieqneis Symfwnies kai th dieqnh ennomh tajh, einai dynaton na mhn eimaste ikanopoihmenoi, otan kai kapoioi alloi lene oti: Nai, aytoi einai oi basikoi kanones basei twn opoiwn prepei na leitoyrgei h Dieqnhs Koinothta;

MEGGRELHS: Qelw na epanelqw se ena prohgoymeno qema kai na sas rwthsw: Poioi htan se gnwsh toy gegonotos oti thn ellhnikh shmaia sthn Imia, thn ebale, thn teleytaia fora, to Ellhniko Polemiko Naytiko;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei kyrie Meggrelh gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Kai epishmainw kai pali pws prepei na meinoyme ston teliko stoxo, poy epiteyxqhke. O stoxos poy eixe teqei htan stoxos poy apodeixqhke ek twn pragmatwn oti ikanopoihqhke. Kai ayto, me th seira mas, mas ikanopoiei oloys giati petyxame to stoxo poy eixame qesei.

APOSTOLOPOYLOS: Mia dieykrinish kyrie Ypoyrge: Otan lete, h Toyrkia na analabei thn prwtoboylia, ennoeite monomerh prosfygh ek meroys ths sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs h ennoeite na kalesei thn Ellada gia ypografh synyposxetikoy;

REPPAS: Apo thn prwth mera eipa oti to mhnyma ayto qewroyme oti apeyqynetai pros thn allh pleyra, pros thn Toyrkia. Einai prwqystero na syzhtoyme gia to ti qa kanoyme emeis, xwris ayth thn wra na exoyme dedomenh thn prwtoboylia ek meroys ths Toyrkias. An yparjei ayth h prwtoboylia, qa syzhthsoyme pali tote.

PARAS: Yparxei dhmosieyma apogeymatinhs efhmeridas (sygkekrimena, ths efhmeridas "TA NEA") poy kanei logo gia paratash ths qhteias. To diko sas sxolio poio einai;

REPPAS: Tetoio qema den antimetwpizei h Kybernhsh ayth thn wra.

GARGALAKOS: Qelw na kanw dyo erwthseis:
-H prwth erwthsh einai an exete kapoio sxolio gia tis apofaseis toy Radiothleoptikoy Symboylioy se sxesh me tis eyqynes twn kanaliwn sthn kalych ths prosfaths ellhno- toyrkikhs krishs.
-Kai h deyterh, an yparxei periptwsh na analabei Genikos Grammateas sto Ypoyrgeio Typoy o k. Aqanasakhs kai an ayto apotelei anoigma pros thn "proedrikh froyra".

REPPAS: Kyrie Gargalako, eisqe apo toys prwtoys (an oxi o prwtos, an enqymoymai kalws) poy qesate ayto to qema:
* O k. Aqanasakhs einai filos, synergaths kai syntrofos se mia eikosaeth poreia. Nomizw, loipon, oti tetoioy eidoys qemata, synergasias mas, den mporei na antimetwpizontai - kai twra kai sto mellon - me diaforetiko prisma apo to prisma me to opoio epi tosa xronia antimetwpi- zoyme ta problhmata toy Kinhmatos mas alla kai ths dhmosias zwhs sthn opoia drasthriopoi- oymeqa kai oi dyo. Kai ayto den einai anoigma sthn "proedrikh froyra", qa moy epitrapei na pw. Qewrw oti den einai kai swsth ayth h ekfrash. Giati me ayton ton tropo qewreitai oti epikefalhs ayths ths "froyras" einai o idios o Proedros toy PASOK k. Andreas Papandreoy. O k. Papandreoy einai Proedros toy PASOK, einai Proedros olwn mas. Den einai kommatarxhs mias orismenhs pleyras toy PASOK. Kai, parakalw, opoioi xrhsimopoioyn ena tetoio orismo h prosdiorismo, ypobibazoyn ton Andrea Papandreoy apo to megeqos toy eqnikoy hgeth sto opoio exei petyxei na anelqei sto rolo enos kommatarxh. Kai egw tetoio rolo den dexomai gia ton Andrea Papandreoy.
* Gia to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs (ESR), eixa thn eykairia me allh aformh na dwsw mia apanthsh xqes. Epanalambanw: To ESR einai mia anejarthth dioikhtikh arxh. Exw peisei ton eayto moy oti den prepei na exw gnwmh gia tis apofaseis toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy Radiothleo- rashs giati ayth h Kybernhsh ekane megalh prospaqeia - kai exei petyxei se shmantiko baqmo - na egkaqidrysei kai na katoxyrwsei th leitoyrgia qesmwn, oi opoioi kata tropo - qa elega - apotelesmatiko, taktopoioyn to mexri pro tinos yfistameno xaos se polloys tomeis ths dhmosias zwhs ths xwras. To ESR oyte entoles dexetai, oyte kateyqynseis. Oi apofaseis toy einai apofaseis sebastes apo oloys mas. Kai nomizw oti toso h xqesinh apofash toy, oso kai opoia apofash labei sto mellon einai apofaseis poy emeis ws Kybernhsh tis sebomaste giati timoyme toys dhmokratikoys qesmoys. Sas eyxaristw poly.