BRIEFING 13-02-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 13/2/96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA META TH SYNEDRIASH THS KYBERNHTIKHS EPITROPHS

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Xqes, o Amerikanos Proedros k. Klinton isxyrisqhke oti h systash gia parapomph toy qematos ths braxonhsidas sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio htan qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs. To prwto moy erwthma einai an ayto einai alhqes. Kai ean einai alhqes - to deytero erwthma - giati apekrybh apo thn ellhnikh koinh gnwmh, afoy htan protash ellhnikh;

REPPAS: Ayth einai h erwthsh;

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Malista.

REPPAS: H Ellada exei kat'epanalhch labei qesh yper toy sebasmoy toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy kai twn Dieqnwn Synqhkwn. Den exei ypodeijei sygkekrimeno metro h prwtoboylia poy prepei kapoioi na analaboyn. H Ellada qewrei oti to nomiko kaqestws einai apolytws safes kai den protiqetai ej idias prwtoboylias na probei se opoiadhpote prajh, doqentos oti gia th xwra mas qema amfisbhthshs h asafeias den einai paradekto, giati akribws den yfistatai. Prepei omws na pw oti gi'ayto to qema exoyme kat'epanalhch syzhthsei. Eixate th dynatothta na syzhthsete shmera me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Qeodwro Pagkalo. Aplws epishmainw oti epeidh akribws sebomaste th dieqnh ennomh tajh, emeis poy pisteyoyme oti einai isxyra kai adiaseista ta epixeirhmata mas, den exoyme logo na analaboyme kammia prwtoboylia, giati den diekdikoyme kai den amfisbhtoyme emeis. Alla bebaiws h politikh mas einai mia politikh, h opoia sthn prajh ana pasa stigmh qa epidiwkei na epibebaiwnei to sebasmo mas sto Dieqnes Dikaio kai tis Dieqneis Symfwnies.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Einai toso dyskolo na diaceysete ton k. Klinton epiteloys;

REPPAS: Ma nomizw oti eipa pws h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh oyte exei ypodeijei opoiodhpote metro h opoiadhpote prwtoboylia, oyte prokeitai na to kanei. Nomizw oti apanthsa, kyrie Zerbonikolakh. Htan poly sygkekrimenh h apanthsh moy.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Sygkekrimena, egw toylaxiston qa hqela na to diereynhsoyme akoma: O Proedros Klinton ceydetai h alhqws legei oti h ellhnikh pleyra htan ayth poy synesthse tis dyo xwres na pane sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs;

REPPAS: O k. Klinton ekfrazei thn politikh ths Kybernhshs twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn. Egw milw gia thn politikh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs. Kai epanalambanw oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh oydemia prwtoboylia anelabe na ypodeijei metra se opoiondhpote. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei sthn prajh deijei oti sebetai to Dieqnes Dikaio kai qa hqele, an einai dynaton, th dieqnh ennomh tajh na th sebontai oles oi xwres, wste na mhn yparxoyn problhmata sthn Koinwnia twn Eqnwn.

FILHS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei dimerws syzhthsei me thn amerikanikh pleyra ayth thn epishmh protash poy exei diatypwqei dhmosiws;

REPPAS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei epikoinwnia me thn Kybernhsh twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn. Alla h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh den exei analabei kammia prwtoboylia kai kammia desmeysh gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

FILHS: To qema ayto syzhthqhke sto Ntabos me ton k. Giwrgo Papandreoy kai ton k. Xolmproyk;

REPPAS: Ayto einai kati poy leptomerws den gnwrizw na sas apanthsw. Alla se kapoia synenteyjh - gia na mhn qewrhqei oti ypekfeygw - eida ton k. Giwrgo Papandreoy na anaferei (an exei kalws apodoqei o dialogos poy eixe me ton k. Xolmproyk) kai mia tetoia skech dikh toy. Gia logariasmo ths Kybernhshs, edwsa prohgoymenws apanthsh.

FILHS: Ara, o k. Klinton diatypwnei thn apoch toy k. Giwrgoy Papandreoy.

REPPAS: O k. Klinton diatypwnei thn apoch - pisteyw egw - ths politikhs ths Kybernhshs twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn. Eseis, an qewreite oti o k.Klinton diatypwnei thn politikh thn opoia ekfrazei o k. Giwrgos Papandreoy, qa moy epitrecete na sas epitrecw na diatypwsete ayth thn apoch, alla mhn qewrhsete oti eimai ypoxrewmenos na symfwnhsw se mia tetoia diatypwsh.

KACAMPELHS: Ep'aytoy: an den kanw laqos, o k. Giwrgos Papandreoy eixe dhlwsei - kai den toy to dieceyse kaneis - oti synomilhse me ton k. Xolmproyk se symfwnia, se synennohsh (gia na mhn pw kat'entolhn) toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

REPPAS: O k. Giwrgos Papandreoy eyriskomenos sto Ntabos anelabe se synennohsh me ton k. Prwqypoyrgo na enhmerwsei toys synomilhtes toy gia thn ellhnotoyrkikh krish. Kai o k. Papandreoy akribws ayto ekane: Aneptyje tis ellhnikes qeseis gia ta stoixeia ta opoia synistoyn thn ellhnotoyrkikh krish.

T.MPERMPERAKHS: Xqes xarakthrisate endiaferoysa thn protash twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn. Apo th stigmh poy h Ellada den protiqetai na kanei xrhsh ayths ths protashs, giati th briskei endiaferoysa;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei polles fores kai epi polles hmeres gia synafh erwthmata. Thn prwth hmera poy eteqh to erwthma - qa qymaste poly kala, nomizw hsastan parwn - eipa oti qewroyme pws to mhnyma ayto den apeyqynetai se mas, apeyqynetai pros thn Toyrkia. Emeis briskoyme endiaferoysa aythn thn apoch ths Amerikanikhs Kybernhshs gia enan poly logiko kai aplo logo: Oti h Amerikanikh Kybernhsh synista sebasmo sto Dieqnes Dikaio, sebasmo twn Dieqnwn Synqhkwn. Kai h politikh ayth einai mia politikh h opoia briskei symfwnh thn Ellada.

G.MAYROS: Mhpws to Grafeio Typoy ths Oyasigktwn sas enhmerwse gia thn akribh epimaxh frash toy Proedroy Klinton, opws ayth kategrafh sth binteokasseta...

REPPAS: Den exw dei th binteokasseta. Yparxei to keimeno, qa to exete sth diaqesh sas. G.

MAYROS: Exete hdh epikoinwnhsei me ta Grafeia...

REPPAS: Asfalws kai exoyme synexh epikoinwnia me ta Grafeia Typoy Oyasigktwn kai Neas Yorkhs.

MOYRTZHS: O k. Giwrgos Papandreoy ejefrase thn ellhnikh kybernhtikh qesh me pistothta h ekane mia yperbash proxwrwntas se mia dikh toy qesh;

REPPAS: O k. Giwrgos Papandreoy enhmerwse toys synomilhtes toy - epanalambanw kai pali - gia tis ellhnikes qeseis ws pros thn ellhnotoyrkikh krish. Kai o k. Papandreoy sta plaisia toy dialogoy poy eixe me toys synomilhtes toy, aneptyje apoceis oi opoies qewrhse oti bohqoyn sthn kalyterh antimetwpish toy anakycantos problhmatos apo thn ellhnikh skopia.

SOYRMELIDHS: Epeidh apo thn Paraskeyh sas exw hdh rwthsei gia thn amerikanikh protash kai den dieykrinizete an einai ellhnikh, an einai amerikanikh, thn apodexomaste h den thn apodexomaste, qa hqela na rwthsw an h Ellhnikh Presbeia sthn Oyasigktwn qa zhthsei ejhghseis apo thn Amerikanikh Kybernhsh kai apo ton Leyko Oiko gia to qema ayto. Kai thn idia protash thn exei epanalabei kai h Italikh Proedria, erxetai h Germania leei kai ayth to idio pragma, me oloys syzhtame ayto to idio pragma kai telikws...

REPPAS: Me oloys oi opoioi parotrynoyn tis alles xwres na sebontai to Dieqnes Dikaio, qa symfwnoyme. Kai qa kanoyme kai emeis apo thn pleyra mas o,ti prepei na kanoyme, wste h dieqnhs ennomh tajh epiteloys na diasfalisqei kai na mhn amfisbhteitai apo oydena.

SOYRMELIDHS: Ejhghseis qa zhthsoyme;

REPPAS: Qa zhthsoyme ejhghseis epeidh kalei emas kai opoion allon na sebomaste to Dieqnes Dikaio; Sas parakalw poly! Sas parakalw poly!

SOYRMELIDHS: Ma egw rwthsa...

REPPAS: Sas parakalw poly!

SOYRMELIDHS: ... an qa zhthsoyme dieykriniseis...

REPPAS: Ti dieykriniseis na zhthsoyme; Gia mia protash poy synista na sebomaste to Dieqnes Dikaio; Loipon, o k. Kanellopoylos.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Apla, kyrie Ypoyrge, gia na mh leme polla: Diaceydei h oxi - me ena nai h me ena oxi qelw apanthsh - h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh ton isxyrismo toy k. Klinton;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kanellopoyle, eseis tis erwthseis den tis kanete monolektikws. Giati qelete monolektikes apanthseis; Oriste, o k. Kacampelhs.

KACAMPELHS: Ep'aytoy: Ean o k. Giwrgos Papandreoy aytoboylws aneptyje peraiterw apoceis gia ta qemata ths Xaghs, yparxei qema gia ton k. Giwrgo Papandreoy h oxi;

REPPAS: O k. Giwrgos Papandreoy aneptyje qeseis yperaspishs ths xwras mas s'ayto to dieqnes foroym kai nomizw oti prepei na ton timhsoyme. Aloimono, na ton cejoyme kiolas!

KACAMPELHS: Oxi, oxi, syggnwmh...

REPPAS: Apanthsa s'ayto, kyrie Kacampelh. Apanthsa. Kai apanthsa leptomerws. Parakalw poly!

KACAMPELHS: H erwthsh moy den akoysthke profanws: An o k. Giwrgos Papandreoy eipe mono - gia na to pw liana - ta peri Xaghs ston k. Xolmproyk xwris synennohsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo, yparxei h den yparxei qema gia ton Ypoyrgo; Gia ta peri Xaghs, erwtw.

REPPAS: O k. Papandreoy kata th gnwmh ths Kybernhshs ekane ta panta, wste sta plaisia aytwn twn syzhthsewn na prowqhsei qeseis ellhnikes, na yperaspisqei ta eqnika mas symferonta.

GARGALAKOS: Jerete, kyrie Ekproswpe, na yparxei kapoio problhma stis sxeseis Prwqypoyr- goy kai Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas; Kai akoma, protiqetai o Prwqypoyrgos na afairesei thn armodiothta twn promhqeiwn ths Eqnikhs Amynas apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas;

REPPAS: Eimai kathgorhmatikos: Den yparxei kanena problhma stis sxeseis twn dyo politikwn andrwn. Yparxei synergasia. Kai prepei na sas pw oti gia qemata shmantika, qemata aixmhs ta opoia apasxolhsan organa kybernhtika, oi dyo andres - o Prwqypoyrgos kai o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas - eixan taytoshmes kai symfwnes apoceis.

GARGALAKOS: Gia to qema twn promhqeiwn;

REPPAS: Gia to qema twn promhqeiwn, den yparxei tipota poy na allazei to shmerino kaqestws. O,tidhpote - an teqei tetoio qema - yparjei ws nea apofash, qa sas ginei gnwsth. Ayth thn wra tetoio qema den yparxei.

MARDAS: Gia thn protash Klinton: Me bash th Symfwnia twn Basewn toy '90, oi Hnwmenes Politeies einai desmeymenes na eggyhqoyn thn anejarthsia kai thn kyriarxia ths Ellados. Omws, h proxqesinh qesh toy Proedroy Klinton leei "parapomph sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio, se diaithsia". Ayth h komch oydeterothta, den erxetai se antiqesh me th desmeysh twn HPA sth Symfwnia gia tis Baseis;

REPPAS: Qelete na sas apanthsw gia logariasmo ths Amerikanikhs Kybernhshs;

MARDAS: An qelete...

REPPAS: Sas lew oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh ektima ws endiaferoysa kai swsth thn topoqethsh opoioydhpote paragonta (Kybernhshs, shmantikoy politikoy paragonta jenhs xwras), h opoia topoqethsh einai symfwnh me to Dieqnes Dikaio. Peran toytoy, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti bebaiws qeloyme na ekfrazontai symfwna me tis dikes mas apoceis oles oi Kybernhseis kai oloi oi epikefalhs twn Kybernhsewn aytwn. Alla eggyhseis mporoyme na ejasfalisoyme emeis me thn omocyxia toy laoy mas, me isxyres Enoples Dynameis, me mia aneptygmenh oikonomia, me mia koinwnia symmetoxhs twn politwn. Kai pros thn kateyqynsh ayth prepei na sas pw oti h Kybernhsh ergazetai adiakopa.

MARDAS: Egw sas rwtaw giati den diamartyretai h Kybernhsh, epeidh oi Hnwmenes Politeies den throyn thn ypografh toys.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh - epanalambanw kai pali - exei epidoqei se mia megalh prospaqeia, wste na peisei gia to dikio twn qesewn ths epi olwn twn qematwn - kai epi toy sygkekrimenoy - jenes Kybernhseis. Kai me xara kai ikanopoihsh dexetai thn topoqethsh twn allwn Kybernhsewn, otan h topoqethsh ayth einai symfwnh me tis dikes mas qeseis. Otan akribws den yparxei symptwsh, ayto den einai kati poy mas xaropoiei idiaitera, giati tipota den mas xaropoiei idiaitera, para mono an einai apolyta symfwno me ayto poy apotelei mia safh ellhnikh topoqethsh, h opoia sas einai kai se sas gnwsth.

MARDAS: H protash Klinton einai symfwnh me tis desmeyseis;

REPPAS: H protash Klinton ekfrazei thn politikh twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn. H protash Klinton, briskoyme oti exei endiaferon. Qa qelame h protash Klinton - kai opoiadhpote protash toy opoioydhpote Proedroy h Prwqypoyrgoy - na einai mia pisth antigrafh - anaparagwgh twn ellhnikwn qesewn. Ayto den einai eykolo na to katorqwsoyme. To epidiwkoyme kai kinoymaste s'ayth thn kateyqynsh.

MARDAS: Otan parabiazetai mia Symfwnia, yparxoyn diatajeis poy mporoyn na...

REPPAS: Qa to laboyme sobarws ypoch mas ayto, kyrie Marda.

SOYRMELH: Yparxei kapoia dystokia ston kaqorismo allwn hmeromhniwn gia ta tajidia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ektos apo ekeino stis Bryjelles kai sth Bonnh; Gia paradeigma, anaferomai sthn episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Rwmh poy prwta eipe oti qa thn episkefqei logw Italikhs Proedrias...

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na yparxei oydemia dystokia. Aplws, opws gnwrizete, yparxei problhma sxhmatismoy Kybernhshs sthn Italia. Bebaiws, tis epomenes hmeres qa sas anakoinwqei, ean yparjei neos programmatismos, to programma twn episkecewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto ejwteriko.

KARAKWSTAS: Synafes me to prohgoymeno: H episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis HPA qa pragmatopoihqei telikws;

REPPAS: Otan programmatisqei, qa sas anakoinwqei.

KARAGIANNH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, shmerino dhmosieyma toy ELEYQEROY TYPOY anaferei oti h Kybernhsh exei aposyrei apo 25 braxonhsides sto Aigaio stratiwtikes dynameis, poy eixan topoqethqei thn periodo ths krishs. Parakalw, na epibebaiwsete h na diaceysete to sygkekrimeno dhmosieyma. Kai sthn periptwsh poy alhqeyei, mia tetoia kinhsh san ki ayth ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs entassetai se ena plaisio desmeysewn poy exei analabei h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh gia apoklimakwsh ths entashs...

REPPAS: Exw kat'epanalhch apanthsei gia ta sxetika me thn prosfath ellhnotoyrkikh krish. Sth diarkeia ayths ths krishs, eginan xeirismoi me leptothta kai eyaisqhsia, me synesh kai apofasistikothta, oi opoioi odhghsan telika sto apotelesma ths apemplokhs. Kai ayto to apotelesma einai safes, ikanopoiei oloys. Deixnei to metro epityxias ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, ws pros to pws antimetwpise thn ellhnotoyrkikh krish. Parakalw, loipon, gia to poly eidiko qema to opoio qetete, mhn epimenete parapera dioti den gnwrizw - diabasa to dhmosieyma - basei poiwn plhroforiwn anaptyxqhke ayth h - an qelete - senariologia. Giati exei kai mia probolh sthn prwth selida to qema ayto, poy qa moy epitrecete na pw oti einai dysanaloga megalh se sxesh me thn isxy twn plhroforiwn, tis opoies epikaleitai. Menei aplws se "egkyres plhrofories".

KARAGIANNH: To diaceydete to dhmosieyma, kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Eipa oti sta plaisia ths ellhnotoyrkikhs krishs ekeinh thn periodo, eginan leptoi xeirismoi me synesh kai apofasistikothta, toys opoioys epiteloys katalabainoyme oloi oti den mporoyme na syzhtoyme sthn akra leptomereia toys.

KIAOS: Erxomai sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph poy mas anakoinwsate orismena pragmata kai qelw dieykriniseis: Milhsate gia anadiarqrwsh yphresiwn sto plaisio toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas h kanw laqos;

REPPAS: Exei ginei ayto, kyrie Kiao. Qa moy epitrecete na pw gia na mhn yparjei paranohsh, alloi synadelfoi sas poy parakoloyqoyn to stratiwtiko reportaz - o k. Dhmakas gnefei katafatika - to gnwrizoyn isws, exei dhmioyrghqei epiteleio sto Grafeio toy Ypoyrgoy wste o Ypoyrgos na exei politikes Yphresies kai Dieyqynseis, oi opoies ypagontai pleon s'ayton, wste to Ypoyrgeio na mhn exei sthn koryfh ths pyramidas toy ton Ypoyrgo kai to GEEQA katw ap'ayton. Yparxoyn pia kai Yphresies oi opoies synistoyn to epiteleio toy Ypoyrgoy. Kai bebaiws, exei hdh dhmioyrghqei mia Dieyqynsh Ejoplismwn, h opoia mporei na kanei ena sygkerasmo twn stoixeiwn twn protasewn twn epimeroys Kladwn, wste oi epiloges na ginontai kata ton prosforotero, ton kalytero tropo. Kai prepei na sas pw akomh oti yparxei proqesh ths Kybernhshs, toylaxiston megales paraggelies kai sto metro poy den qigetai eqniko symferon (giati ayta ta qemata prepei na syzhtoyntai me megalh prosoxh), na enhmerwnei thn Diarkh Koinoboyleytikh Epitroph Ejwterikwn kai Amynas, wste na ejasfalizetai kai kat'ayton ton tropo h megisth dynath diafaneia gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma.

DHMAKAS: To problepei o nomos.

REPPAS: Akribws. Etsi einai kyrie Dhmaka.

KIAOS: Syzhthsan sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai ena qema poy to eixe anakoinwsei o Prwqypoyrgos pro mias h dyo ebdomadwn an qymamai kala, toy syntonismoy twn dyo Ypoyrgeiwn Amynhs kai Ejwterikwn;

REPPAS: Diatypwqhkan protaseis kai apo alloys Ypoyrgoys poy elaban to logo, alla den yparxoyn apofaseis. Diatypwqhkan protaseis arketes. Parakalw omws, epeidh h syzhthsh ayth den exei oloklhrwqei kai den exoyn lhfqei apofaseis, den exw na anakoinwsw apofaseis epi twn qematwn aytwn, ta opoia syzhtoyntai.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Apasxolhse thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph to qema twn dhlwsewn Klinton; Syzhthsan epi toy qematos aytoy o Prwqypoyrgos kai oi Ypoyrgoi Amynas kai Ejwterikwn;

REPPAS: Den egine syzhthsh epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos, giati h politikh mas einai safhs kai exei diatypwqei.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate prin oti syzhthqhke kai to qema toy leitoyrgikoy syntonismoy toy eniaioy amyntikoy dogmatos. Edw kai enamish xrono poy proanaggelletai ayto to dogma, ginetai logos gia leitoyrgiko syntonismo. Mporeite na mas peite poies adynamies toy entopisthkan; Kai ti shmainei syntonismos; Poios syntonizei poion;

REPPAS: Nomizw, kyria Poylidoy, oti einai toso sobaro to qema gia to opoio rwtate, wste prepei na einai sto idio epipedo kai o tropos ekforas toy logoy. H Ellada den exei na syntonisei kanenan allon, para na labei oles tis pronoies kai ta metra wste na yperaspisqei ta eqnika ths symferonta. Sta plaisia loipon ayta kai me bash dedomena ta opoia prokyptoyn kaqhmerinws (giati h zwh paroysiazei megalh poikilia, oi ejelijeis exoyn taxytatoys ryqmoys kai den prepei oydeis na einai stasimos alla na toys parakoloyqei h kai na toys problepei an einai dynaton), h Ellada einai ypoxrewmenh ana pasa stigmh na ejetazei ta toy amyntikoy aytoy dogmatos kai na einai etoimh sta plaisia aytoy toy dogmatos na antimetwpisei opoiondhpote kindyno prokycei.

DHMAKAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa epanelqw sto qema twn braxonhsidwn: Me aformh mia xqesinh dikh sas apostrofh, poy eipate oti mhpws yphrxan kai batraxanqrwpoi prin apo thn krish - tetoia h paromoias yfhs htan h frash sas - qelw na sas rwthsw gia ta pragmatika peristatika: Topoqethqhkan kai efygan twra; Den phgan kaqoloy; Paramenoyn; Gia na mporesoyme na kanoyme mia ajiologikh topoqethsh. Einai leptoi oi "xeirismoi", alla na mhn mpoyme se ariqmoys. As mhn poyme se 25 braxonhsides h 32...

REPPAS: Kyrie Dhmaka, eginan epixeirhsiakes energeies ekeinh thn periodo, oi opoies kriqhkan apo to KYSEA. Alla kai me bash ta problepomena apo toys Kanonismoys twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, wste na diasfalisqoyn ta eqnika kyriarxika mas dikaiwmata. Parakalw na meinoyme s' ayto.

DHMAKAS: Elhjan, omws, twra aytoi oi "xeirismoi";

REPPAS: Ma, nomizw oti h krish ayth exei parelqei, toylaxiston sthn ojeia ths morfh me thn opoia th zhsame ekeines tis hmeres.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, milhsate prohgoymenws gia thn epityxia me thn opoia h Kybernhsh antimetwpise thn ellhno-toyrkikh krish. Einai kati poy to exete janapei. To exoyme akoysei kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Den einai ligo antifash, meta apo ayth thn epityxia, poy ola ta kybernhtika stelexh lene, taytoxrona na anazhtoyntai kai eyqynes; Kai exoyme, oxi mono thn periptwsh Lymperh, alla kai alla pragmata: diafwnies metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas. Oi eyqynes sthn epityxia einai k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Einai omofwnes oi apofaseis poy elhfqhsan. Kai einai, nomizw, omofwnh h topoqethsh twn stelexwn ta opoia yponnoeite peri toy epityxoys apotelesmatos, ths apemplokhs. O stoxos epeteyxqh. O stoxos htan h apemplokh. Stoxos htan na mhn odhghqoyme se diapragmateyseis, pragma poy qa htan dyskolo na apofygoyme, an alloi xeirismoi eginonto. Alla qa moy epitrecete na pw oti ayto kaqoloy den shmainei oti eimaste apolytws ikanopoihmenoi gia epimeroys xeirismoys oi opoioi eginan ekeinh thn periodo. Oi xeirismoi aytoi einai antikeimeno to opoio ejetazetai kai qa yparjei apofash kai oristikh ektimhsh kai ep' aytoy. To ena den anairei to allo.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei ena "lepto" qema: An einai dynaton, qa hqela mia apanthsh akribeias. An den gnwrizete na moy apanthsete twra, na frontisete na...

REPPAS: Afoy einai "lepto" to qema, qa einai "lepth" kai h apanthsh.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Nai, einai poly "lepto". Yparxei kapoio shma h epishmh epibebaiwsh kaq' oiondhpote tropo oti oi Toyrkoi katelaban ayth th braxonhsida; To elikoptero dhladh h h fregata "NAYARINO" exoyn dwsei shma oti toys eidan; Yparxei kapoio ntokoymento gia ayto to zhthma;

REPPAS: H paroysia twn Toyrkwn komantos sth braxonhsida qewreite eseis oti den einai ena pragmatiko gegonos, an katalaba thn erwthsh sas.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Yparxoyn kapoies fhmes tetoies. Den jerw an yparxoyn plhrofories.

REPPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizw - kai nomizw oti gnwrizw arketa kala - h proseggish kai apobibash twn Toyrkwn sto nhsi ayto egine sth diarkeia ayths ths krishs. Kai qa egine, - to exoyme janapei - gia logoys mono kai mono probolhs ek twn ysterwn, sta plaisia ths toyrkikhs propagandas, aytoy toy "andragaqhmatos". Giati den eixe kammia epirroh kai kammia epidrash sthn olh ejelijh twn epixeirhsewn kai sth syzhthsh poy egine gia thn apemplokh. Htan ena "trik", as to pw etsi.

GARGALAKOS: Gnwrizete poios qa parei thn apofash gia tis epikeimenes allages se trapezes kai DEKO; Qa tis parei o Prwqypoyrgos h kapoio syllogiko organo Kybernhshs h Kommatos;

REPPAS: Qa yparjoyn apofaseis, oi opoies, profanws, qa fwtografizoyn kai to ypokeimeno poy tis elabe. Otan yparjoyn aytes oi apofaseis, qa einai gnwsto kai to poia proswpa kai organa elaban tis apofaseis aytes.

KIAOS: Pantws, h apanthsh sas einai poly sfairikh.

REPPAS: Ma, kai h erwthsh einai poly sfairikh.

MARDAS: "Podosfairikh" na mhn einai.

REPPAS: Afoy einai "sfairikh" h erwthsh, den mporei na einai "asfairh" h apanthsh. Qa einai "sfairikh" kai h apanthsh.

GARGALAKOS: Eixame thn apofash gia thn Eqnikh Trapeza. Ayrio, mporei na yparjei apofash gia DEH, OTE k.lp. Lete oti den einai kaqorismeno apo twra, poios qa parei thn apofash;

REPPAS: Lew, kyrie Gargalako, kati poy hdh apotelei kai dikh sas peira. O armodios Ypoyrgos proteinei, h armodia Koinoboyleytikh Epitroph ejetazei kai an egkrinei ginetai h topoqethsh twn ypodeiknyomenwn.

GARGALAKOS: O Prwqypoyrgos den paizei rolo dhladh;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, asfalws exei synennohsh me ton armodio Ypoyrgo. Alla o Prwqypoyrgos dexetai eishghseis. Kai oi apofaseis lambanontai meta apo symfwnia poy qa yparjei.

MAYROS: Apo tis apanthseis poy dwsate sto qema ths aposyrshs toy Stoloy mas apo 5 - 10 braxonhsides, dhmioyrghqhke h entypwsh oti epibebaiwnete thn apokalych. Einai ayqaireto ayto to symperasma moy h oxi;

REPPAS: Ayto einai diko sas symperasma. Egw den mporw na logokrinw ta symperasmata sas. Apla sas lew oti sta plaisia ths krishs eginan tetoioi xeirismoi, toys opoioys den qa hqela na syzhthsoyme kataleptws twra. H enhmerwsh poy exei doqei einai ypereparkhs. Kai epi olwn aytwn twn qematwn, pisteyw oti exoyme syzhthsei ejantlhtika olh ayth thn periodo.

MAYROS: Kai ena deytero erwthma: Telika h diatypwsh toy k. Klinton sth sygkekrimenh binteotainia einai h ejhs: "H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh eishgage, synesthse h eishghqhke (synesthse einai to pio hpio) thn prosfygh sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs". To diaceydete ayto h oxi;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei leptomerestata se swreia erwthsewn epi toy qematos. Sas parakalw poly.

MAYROS: Qelw mia kathgorhmatikh apanthsh, den mporw na thn exw;

ELENOPOYLOS: Mia dieykrinish: Eipate epi lejei oti "eginan epixeirhsiakes energeies, oi opoies kriqhkan" - apofasisqhkan dhladh oysiastika - "apo to KYSEA, gia na diasfalisoyn eqnika kyriarxika dikaiwmata". Kai sth synexeia, eipate oti "h krish exei lhjei sthn ojeia ths morfh". qa hqela, loipon, na rwthsw to ejhs: Ayto to apotelesma, ayth h apoch, ayth h ektimhsh, apo poion elhfqh ws apofash; Oti "h krish exei lhjei sthn ojeia ths morfh";

REPPAS: Ayto den einai qema apofashs, einai qema empeirias.

ELENOPOYLOS: "Empeirias" kai monon!

REPPAS: Gnwrizoyme oti ginontai askhseis twn Toyrkikwn Enoplwn Dynamewn. Jekinoyn kai dikes mas askhseis. Sta plaisia twn askhsewn aytwn yparxoyn parabaseis kai parabiaseis. Ayto shmainei oti yparxei mia entash. Oti den miloyme gia sxeseis eilikrinoys filias kai synergasias. Kai otan den yparxei eilikrinhs filia kai synergasia, yparxei krish. Alla, bebaiws, h ojeia morfh ekeinhs ths periodoy ths krishs, poy eixame fqasei ston proqalamo toy polemoy, den yparxei ayth thn wra poy syzhtame.

ELENOPOYLOS: Epomenws gia th lhjh twn epixeirhsiakwn energeiwn, poy syzhtame, poios elabe thn apofash;

REPPAS: Den katenohsa thn erwthsh sas.

ELENOPOYLOS: Lew: gia na lhjoyn oi epixeirhsiakes aytes energeies poy eixan apofasisqei, poios elabe thn apofash;

REPPAS: Stoxos twn prwtoboyliwn poy elhfqhsan thn periodo ths entashs, htan akribws h apemplokh twn stratiwtikwn dynamewn twn dyo pleyrwn. H apemplokh ayth oloklhrwqhke.

MARDAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, anaferomai sto dhmosieyma toy ELEYQEROY TYPOY: Oi "xeirismoi", opws toys eipate, gia tis braxonhsides eixan th symfwnh gnwmh toy KYSEA;

REPPAS: Parakalw, epanerxomai kai pali se kati poy exw pei kat' epanalhch: Oi apofaseis toy KYSEA htan apofaseis omofwnes epi olwn twn qematwn, ta opoia to KYSEA antimetwpise.

MARDAS: Kati akomh: Yparxei endiaferon Ellhnwn boyleytwn gia na pane sta Imia. Poia einai h qesh ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Ma, to dikaiwma ayto to exei o aplos Ellhnas poliths. Den qa to exei Ellhnas boyleyths;

KAMPOYRAKHS: Thn Pempth, stis 6:30 synedriazei to KYSEA gia na eklejei neo Arxhgo GEEQA. Exete plhrofories h foboys oti apo th meleth twn proswpwn poy qa antikatasthsoyn ton k. Lymperh kai toys Arxhgoys twn triwn Epiteleiwn, qa yparjei diafora ektimhsewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas gia ta proswpa;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti einai poly prowro na syzhtoyme gia diafwnies, otan den exoyn kan diatypwqei oi protaseis. Parakalw na perimenoyme th synedriash. Kai pisteyw, na eiste sigoyroi kai eseis, oti oi apofaseis qa einai kai tote omofwnes.

DHMAKAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti h apofash toy KYSEA htan omofwnh. Epanerxomai, loipon, se ayto to qema: H apofash gia th lhjh twn epixeirhsiakwn xeirismwn htan pali omofwnh; Kai htan toy KYSEA;

REPPAS: Oles oi apofaseis gia ola ta qemata ta opoia apasxolhsan to KYSEA, htan apofaseis omofwnes.

KACAMPELHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei programmatismeno "ranteboy" gia ayrio toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Akh Tsoxatzopoylo;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kacampelh, exw pei kat' epanalhch: kaqe mera erxetai kapoia erwthsh aytoy toy periexomenoy. H apanthsh...

KACAMPELHS: An jerete...

REPPAS: H apanthsh einai mia kai monh: Oti o Prwqypoyrgos synergazetai kai me boyleytes kai me stelexh toy Kommatos kai me paragontes toy dhmosioy bioy ths xwras. Kai epipleon, epeidh exei stenh synergasia kai me stelexh toy Kommatos, alla kai epikoinwnia me alloys paragontes o k. Prwqypoyrgos, ayto pleon den qa apotelei eidhsh. O k. Prwqypoyrgos ergazetai.

KACAMPELHS: An gia thn Kybernhsh, mexri thn ejantlhsh ths tetraetias, yparxei qema tropopoihshs ths eklogikhs nomoqesias;

REPPAS: Tetoio qema den antimetwpizei h Kybernhsh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: H erwthsh moy ginetai me aformh thn anafora sas sth dieyqynsh Ejoplismwn, poy syzhthqhke sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. O k. Shmiths, sthn omilia toy sto Ellhno-amerikaniko Epimelhthrio, perysi, eixe taxqei yper ths meiwshs twn amyntikwn dapanwn. Analogh topoqethsh ekane sthn omilia toy gia ton Proypologismo. Stis Programmatikes Dhlwseis den anaferqhke. Qelw na moy peite, ean oi amyntikes dapanes qa ayjhqoyn, qa meiwqoyn h qa meinoyn ws exoyn shmera;

REPPAS: H topoqethsh epi toy qematos, opws exei diatypwqei kai sta plaisia twn Programma- tikwn Dhlwsewn - giati egine anafora kai s' ayto to qema kai prepei na to enqymeiste - einai oti qeloyme ton kalytero dynato ejoplismo me to xamhlotero dynato kostos. Kai den nomizw na einai kaneis poy exei antirrhsh se ayth th qesh.

FILHS: Qa qelame na mas peite, ean protiqetai h Kybernhsh na parei kapoia nomoqetikh prwtoboylia poy na afora ton tropo diorismoy kai th qhteia toy Arxhgoy GEEQA;

REPPAS: Ti ennoeite akribws;

KIAOS: Na allajei o nomos.

FILHS: Na allajei o nomos.

REPPAS: Den antimetwpizei ayth thn wra tetoio qema h Kybernhsh.

FILHS: Th deyterh erwthsh, parakalw krathste th gia ayrio, an den mporeite na apanthsete shmera.

REPPAS: qa thn krathsw!

FILHS: O k. Pagkalos, milwntas sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK - opws mas plhroforei to apomagnhtofwnhmeno keimeno poy dhmosieyqhke sthn efhmerida TO BHMA THS KYRIAKHS - eipe h Ellada ekane prwth diabhma sthn Agkyra, stis 28 Dekembrioy, gia to gnwsto problhma ths rymoylkhshs toy nayagioy sthn Imia. H prwth epishmh enhmerwsh htan oti to qema anoije me prwtoboylia, me rhmatikh diakoinwsh ths toyrkikhs pleyras. Erwtw: Gia poio logo h Ellada ekane ayth prwth to diabhma stis 28 Dekembrioy, otan malista to toyrkiko ploio poy eixe prosarajei sth braxonhsida Imia, eixe dexqei na to rymoylkhsei - kai to eixe rymoylkhsei - ellhniko ploio;

REPPAS: Parakalw, mhn epanerxomaste se ayto to qema. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei kanei oles tis diplwmatikes energeies kai toys xeirismoys, oi opoioi htan oi kalyteroi dynatoi. Parakalw mhn epanerxomaste se ayto to qema.

FILHS: Den epanerxomeqa, dioti edw yparxei mia allh enhmerwsh. Dhmioyrgeitai ena sobaro problhma.

REPPAS: Apo poy dhmioyrgeitai k. Filh;

FILHS: Dioti, ean h Ellada, xwris na yparxei problhma kanei diakoinwsh, kanei diabhma sthn Toyrkia, ti anagnwrizei kai kanei diabhma;

REPPAS: H apanthsh einai mia kai monh: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei ejantlhsei tis diplwmatikes dynatothtes, me xeirismoys kai prwtoboylies, wste na prowqhsei tis dikes mas qeseis kai na antimetwpisei ta problhmata ta opoia proekycan ayth thn periodo. Sas parakalw poly.

KIAOS: Epeidh eipate monos sas, xwris na erwthqeite, oti o Prwqypoyrgos synantatai kai me paragontes toy dhmosioy bioy ths xwras, mporeite na mas peite, me poioys paragontes synanthqhke;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti o k. Prwqypoyrgos den syzhta mono me kommatika stelexh kai me boyleytes toy kommatos toy...

KIAOS: An mporeite na mas katonomasete kapoion paragonta...

REPPAS: Ton k. Kwnstantopoylo kai thn ka Paparhga. Sas eyxaristw.