[01] S. Famellos sto APE-MPE: Oi lanqasmenoi deiktes toy DNT einai odikes shmanseis poy odhgoyn se adiejodo

O anaplhrwths ypoyrgos Periballontos anaferetai kai sthn arnhtikh prwtia ths Elladas, metajy twn xwrwn ths EE, stis periballontikes parabiaseis, ypogrammizontas oti ``exei teqei ws proteraiothta to zhthma twn prostimwn kai h efarmogh politikwn anastolhs kai prolhchs, prokeimenoy na meiwqei to oikonomiko kostos kai na apofeyxqoyn nees piqanes katadikes''.

Oson afora sto kleisimo ths ajiologhshs o k.Famellos einai safhs: ``Den amfisbhteitai h ajiologhsh apo ta apotelesmata ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, alla oyte kai apo toys qesmoys. Ayto poy amfisbhteitai, isws apo thn pleyra toy DNT h apo kapoioys politikoys xwroys, einai h dynatothta na yparxei kai allh politikh. Eimaste se antiqesh me tonneofileleyqerismo''.

Anaferomenos stis eyrwpaikes fwnes, oi opoies topoqetoyntai yper twn epiteygmatwn ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai yper ths symbatothtas ths ellhnikhs politikhs me to programma, o anaplhrwths ypoyrgos PEN, leei: ``Protimoyme to komma twn politwn, to komma twn symferontwn twn Eyrwpaiwn politwn. Oi sysxetismoi fainetai oti beltiwnontai pros ofelos ths xwras mas''.

Fyllometrwntas ena plhqos zhthmatwn o k. Famellos topoqeteitai kai oson afora sth megalh strofh poy kanei h xwra mas stis enallaktikes morfes energeias, alla kai sthn energeia me mhdeniko apotypwma anqraka, poy einai kai o stoxos, xwris na ypotimatai h oikonomikh anaptyjh.

Sxetika me to zhthma ths periballontikhs epiqewrhshs kai ths apocilwshs toy swmatos epiqewrhtwn periballontos, o anaplhrwths ypoyrgos PEN leei pws einai to apotelesma mias politikhs poy presbeyei o k. Mhtsotakhs sth dhmosia dioikhsh.

To ajiwma oti to periballon apotelei ena shmantiko ergaleio ejodoy apo thn krish ypogrammizetai kai me thn ylopoihsh ergwn sterewn kai ygrwn apoblhtwn poy exoyn jekinhsei se oles tis perifereies. Ta erga me proypologismo 2 dis.eyrw qa anoijoyn 16.000 qeseis ergasias.

H Ellada exontas paijei prwtagwnistiko rolo sthn kyrwsh ths symfwnias twn Parisiwn, apokta pleonekthmata sthn periballontikh synomilia kai sta symboylia twn ypoyrgwn.``Prospaqoyme na petyxoyme thn prwtopora periballontikh epidosh ths Eyrwphs, taytoxrona me thn ejyphrethsh twn anagkwn ths xwras mas gia paragwgikh anasygkrothsh kai dikaih anaptyjh'', tonizei o k.Famellos.

Akoloyqei h synenteyjh toy anaplhrwth ypoyrgoy Periballontos kai Energeias Swkrath Famelloy sto Aqhnaiko/ Makedoniko Praktoreio Eidhsewn kai ston Hlia Palialejh:

ER : H Ellada exei thn arnhtikh prwtia metajy twn xwrwn ths EE, oson afora stis periballontikes parabiaseis. Pws mporoyme ayto na to anatrecoyme kai na qwrakisoyme apotelesmatikotera ton fysiko mas ployto;

AP: ``H xwra einai ontws prwth metajy twn xwrwn ths EE sta prostima oson afora stis periballontikes parabiaseis, kai teleytaia sthn enswmatwsh ths eyrwpaikhs periballontikhs nomoqesias. Plhsiazei se prostima gia toys XADA sta 40 ekat. eyrw, enw ta prostima gia th mh epejergasia ygrwn apoblhtwn sth Dytikh kai thn Anatolikh Attikh plhsiazoyn ta 17,5 ekat. eyrw. Exoyn, epishs, kyrwqei prostima gia ta epikindyna apoblhta, kaqws den exoyme kamia ypodomh, me apotelesma, ektos twn allwn, na tiqetai kai en amfibolw to mellon ths ellhnikhs biomhxanias. Parallhla, yparxoyn kataggelies kai dikes ths xwras sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio poy den exoyn pros to paron metafrastei se prostima, kai poy exoyn na kanoyn me prostateyomena eidh, me to fysiko periballon, me perioxes prostasias ths fyshs, oi opoies den kalyptontai oysiastika, opws gia paradeigma h Korwneia Bolbh, kai h perioxh toy Kyparissiakoy. Epipleon, ekkremoyn kataggelies kai se alles perioxes ths Elladas poy den exoyn eparkh epejergasia ygrwn apoblhtwn kai biologikoys kaqarismoys.

Exoyme qesei se proteraiothta to zhthma twn prostimwn kai efarmozoyme politikes anastolhs kai prolhchs, prokeimenoy na meiwqei to oikonomiko baros kai na prolaboyme piqanes nees katadikes. Hdh, exoyme dhmosieysei ton Eqniko Sxediasmo gia th Diaxeirish twn Aporrimmatwn. Oi paragwgoi metaferoyn ta ``istorika apoblhta'', akoma kai ektos Elladas, me ychlo kostos, enw taytoxrona kleinoyn oloi oi XADA. Exoyme prokhryjei ola ta erga sterewn apoblhtwn se olh thn Ellada ycoys 1 dis. eyrw gia thn arxh toy 2017. Ginetai mia titania prospaqeia na kalycoyme to keno pollwn xronwn, kaqws einai tragiko se mia periodo oikonomikhs krishs na plhrwnoyme epipleon prostima, poy an ta eixame ependysei sto periballon qa eixame kalyterh poiothta zwhs, kalytero periballon, alla kai qetiko dhmosionomiko isozygio''

ER: Elaxistoi omws oi epiqewrhtes periballontos. Ti skopeyei na kanei to ypoyrgeio gia na enisxysei to rolo toys, prokeimenoy na yparjoyn apotelesmatikoteroi periballontikoi elegxoi;

AP: ``Sto epipedo ths periballontikhs epiqewrhshs kai toy periballontikoy elegxoy yparxei sobaro keno. Apo 100 qeseis poy problepei to P/D toy swmatos epiqewrhtwn periballontos, kai apo 40 stelexh poy eixame to 2011, shmera mazi me to grafeio periballontikwn zhmiwn ta stelexh einai mono 15 gia olh thn Ellada. Kai ayth einai mia meiwsh poy egine xwris syntajiodothseis. Einai to apotelesma mias politikhs poy presbeyei o k. Mhtsotakhs sth dhmosia dioikhsh. Oi epiqewrhseis to 2011 htan 249 to xrono, enw to 2016 exoyn ginei 66. Malista, to 70% twn periballontikwn prostimwn kai parabasewn syndeontai me to oikonomiko egklhma mias kai syndeontai me fainomena paremporioy kai laqremporioy ston tomea twn apoblhtwn, alla kai oson afora sth forologikh nomoqesia. Prospaqoyme na anasteiloyme se dyo kateyqynseis ayth thn katastash. Prwton, na organwsoyme se enan pentaeth programmatismo toys elegxoys kai na mh ginontai mono sthn periptwsh kataggeliwn h megalwn zhmiwn. Shmera, mono to 15% twn elegxwn einai programmatismenoi. To ypoloipo 85% einai ektaktoi, giati ``trexoyme'' pisw apo ta gegonota. Taytoxrona, epidiwkoyme kai exoyme programmatisei thn enisxysh toy swmatos epiqewrhtwn periballontos kai thn enisxysh toy kai me proypologismo. Proqesh mas einai na dieykolynoyme kai na aplopoihsoyme thn periballontikh adeiodothsh kai na enisxysoyme ton periballontiko elegxo ws stoixeio isonomias kai asfaleias dikaioy ths xwras mas''.

ER: Ayqaireth domhsh. Mhpws stelnetai ena entelws laqos mhnyma me tis synexeis parataseis toy nomoy gia thn taktopoihsh;

AP: ``H paratash toy nomoy kai h nea nomoqethsh gia ta qemata domhshs den shmainei metafora toy xronikoy paraqyroy taktopoihshs ayqairetwn. De qa yparxei xroniko paraqyro gia nea genia ayqairetwn, kaqws ayto exei kleisei apo to 2011. Ayto poy epidiwkoyme einai oi ayqairetoi oikistes prwths katoikias poy exoyn koinwnikh anagkh, na exoyn xamhlo kostos gia thn taktopoihsh, alla kai na kleisoyme oristika to paraqyro sthn ayqaireth domhsh me ena neo nomosxedio domhshs kai parakoloyqhshs poy oloklhrwnei tis nomoqetikes prwtoboylies gia ton xwriko sxediasmo. Stoxos, na einai apotypwmenoi oloi oi kanones se ena kwdikopoihmeno nomoqetiko plaisio kai enan monoshmanto xarth anaforas gia th xwra kai na yparxei trapeza ghs kai apoqema ghs, gia na ikanopoioyntai oi anagkes ths katoikias, etsi wste na mh ginetai antikeimeno ekmetalleyshs h anagkh ths kaqe oikogeneias gia stegash. H domhsh prepei na anaptyssetai organwmena kai se kamia periptwsh den prepei na prosbalei to periballon''.

ER: Ta nera ths xwras kai h diaxeirish toys. Parathroyntai sobares kaqysterhseis sth xartografhsh. Exoyn paramelhqei; Briskontai ekteqeimena;

AP: ``Ston tomea twn ydatwn yphrje pragmati mia shmantikh kaqysterhsh sth xwra mas. Ta prwta sxedia diaxeirishs katelhjan na katateqoyn se mia ejaeth kaqysterhsh. H xwra katw apo megales pieseis kai apo pleyras ypoyrgeioy kai apo thn pleyra ths EE qa oloklhrwsei ta nea sxedia diaxeirishs to 2017, kerdizontas tessera xronia sto sxediasmo diaxeirishs neroy. Taytoxrona, exoyme ena ektetameno sxedio kai prokhryjeis apo to ESPA se olh thn Ellada gia egkatastaseis epejergasias lymatwn se oloys toys oikismoys anw twn 2000 katoikwn, etsi wste na kalycoyme kai thn eyrwpaikh ypoxrewsh kai na mhn kindyneyoyme apo nea prostima, kai ayto ginetai se synergasia me ola ta synarmodia ypoyrgeia kai thn aytodioikhsh. Oi ypodomes kai h diaqesh epejergasias lymatwn syndeontai kai me to programma qalassias parakoloyqhshs kai thn enswmatwsh ths nomoqesias gia th qalassia strathgikh. Entos toy 2017 qa exoyme kai sxedia gia tis plhmmyres, kai sxedia gia toys ydatikoys poroys olwn twn ydatikwn diamerismatwn, entagmena erga gia toys biologikoys kaqarismoys kai orqologikh kai plhrh parakoloyqhsh toy qalassioy periballontos. An ta kataferoyme qa exoyme petyxei mia rizospastikh allagh kai ston tomea toy neroy sth xwra''.

ER: Mia allh megalh kaqysterhsh poy qetei se kindyno to periballon kai apotelei troxopedh gia thn anaptyjh, exei na kanei me thn kyrwsh twn dasikwn xartwn. Pws qa teleiwsei h en logw metarryqmish;

AP: ``Nomoqesia yparxei gia to qema twn dasikwn xartwn, alla den yphrxe h politikh tolmh gia na apotypwqei h pragmatikothta sxetika me ta dash epanw se enan xarth.Phrame aythn thn apofash metaferontas shmantiko kommati ths armodiothtas stis dasikes yphresies me thn yposthrijh toy kthmatologioy. Shmera einai anarthmeno sth xwra mas to 35% twn dasikwn xartwn. Exoyme meiwsei shmantika ta telh antirrhsewn kai yparxoyn shmeia yposthrijhs kai plhroforhshs apo tis dieyqynseis daswn se oloys toys nomoys. Prospaqoyme na enisxysoyme ta shmeia ayta kai me epipleon episthmones. Proetoimazoyme kai qa anakoinwqoyn ryqmiseis, sxetika me anadaswtees ektaseis, perioxes poy yparxoyn prajeis xarakthrismoy, perioxes poy oi dhmoi den exoyn steilei ta oria oikismoy kai epoikismoy kai perioxes anadasmoy opoy qa yparxei ejairesh apo ta telh gia ton polith. Taytoxrona, qa energopoihsoyme ta metra paraxwrhshs dasikhs ghs se agrotes me nomimo tropo, etsi wste na einai plhrhs h apotypwsh toy pragmatikoy agrotikoy xwroy kai ths agrotikhs paragwghs kai stoys xartes aytoys kai na mhn yparxoyn problhmata sthn anarthsh toys. Qeloyme na sthrijoyme thn anaptyjh ths agrotikhs paragwghs. Oi dasikoi xartes den apoteloyn ena ergaleio enantion ths agrotikhs paragwghs. Ton epomeno mhna qa laboyme sygkekrimena metra. Den mporoyme, omws, na epitrecoyme ta dash na ginontai antikeimeno paranomhs emporikhs ekmetalleyshs kai katapathsewn.Prepei na efarmostei h nomoqesia kai na prostateysoyme ayth th megalh phgh ajias gia th xwra''.

ER: Pws mporei na wfelhsei th xwra kai to periballon h diakratikh symfwnia gia thn prostasia twn Prespwn; Yparxei kindynos na apotelesei thn arxh dhmioyrgias mias neas ``gkrizas zwnhs'';

AP: ``Dekaepta xronia meta thn prwtoboylia ths ellhnikhs pleyras, kyrwqhke apo thn ellhnikh Boylh h symfwnia gia to diasynoriako parko Prespwn se mia perioxh makraiwnhs synyparjhs anqrwpoy kai fyshs, etsi wste na exoyme oloklhrwmenh prostasia kai diaxeirish ths monadikhs biopoikilothtas ths perioxhs. Epitaxyname th diadikasia poy afora sta qemata ydatwn, biopoikilothtas, edafoys, fysikwn porwn, alla kai ryqmishs twn oikonomikwn drasthriothtwn, giati pisteyoyme oti exoyme mia shmantikh prwtoporia sta qemata ayta. Toso h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph oso kai oi topikoi foreis kai h aytodioikhsh, qa symmetexoyn sto trapezi twn apofasewn. Einai mia symfwnia poy thn epediwke h perioxh twn Prespwn, giati etsi anoigei th synergasia kai metaferei to eyrwpaiko kekthmeno kai stis geitones xwres. Exoyme safestata pleonekthmata se ayth th symbash. Qa exoyme th grammateia kai thn edra ths symbashs gia ta prwta tessera xronia kai ayto qa mas dwsei th dynatothta na beltiwsoyme th diaxeirish toy periballontos sthn perioxh ayth kai na paijoyme enan prwtagwnistiko rolo sthn perioxh twn Balkaniwn, kati poy einai efodio gia thn periballontikh diplwmatia ths xwras. Kanenas kindynos loipon. Antiqeta, polla qa einai ta pleonekthmata mesa apo th symfwnia ayth''.

ER: Se sxesh me thn askhsh ths periballontikhs diplwmatias sth xwra eiste ikanopoihmenos; Pws mporoyn na wfelhsoyn oi dieqneis symfwnies; H Ellada mporei na ajiopoihsei to fysiko periballon kai ton fysiko ployto gia na bgei apo thn krish;

AP: ``H xwra epaije prwtagwnistiko rolo sthn kyrwsh ths symfwnias twn Parisiwn. Htan strathgikh epilogh ths kybernhshs na allajoyme stash kai na eimaste mprosta sta qemata periballontikhs diplwmatias. Exoyme hdh epityxei se megalo baqmo thn ikanopoihsh twn stoxwn gia to 2020 kai exoyme balei plano apo twra gia th symmorfwsh ths xwras gia tis klimatikes entoles gia to 2030. H periballontikh diplwmatia sthn An. Mesogeio einai ena pronomiako pedio gia th xwra mas, kaqws mesa kai apo tis trimereis symfwnies Ellada-Kypros-Israhl kai Ellada-Kypros-Aigyptos, mas dinontai oi dynatothtes na exoyme politikh, episthmonikh alla kai periballontikh paroysia sthn perioxh. Eimaste apo tis prwtes deka xwres ths eyrwzwnhs poy kyrwsame th symfwnia twn Parisiwn sth Boylh. Prospaqoyme na petyxoyme thn prwtopora periballontikh epidosh ths Eyrwphs taytoxrona me thn ejyphrethsh twn anagkwn ths xwras mas gia paragwgikh anasygkrothsh kai dikaih anaptyjh''.

ER: Pws mporoyn ta perifereiaka sxedia gia thn klimatikh allagh na einai apotelesmatika;

Ap: ``Exoyn jekinhsei oles oi perifereies ths xwras na ylopoioyn sxedia gia thn klimatikh allagh kai qa yparxei kai ena ellhniko parathrhthrio gia thn klimatikh allagh poy qa yposthrizei olh aythn thn apokentrwmenh prospaqeia gia na antimetwpisoyme toso tis epiptwseis toy fainomenoy, alla kai na prolaboyme tis synepeies toy, tropopoiwntas kai prosarmozontas thn oikonomikh kai koinwnikh drasthriothta se nea periballontika protypa. Yparxei mia prospaqeia gia prosarmogh twn periballontikwn ependysewn, ths mikromesaias epixeirhmatikothtas kai ths koinwnikhs oikonomias, sthn kateyqynsh ths kyklikhs oikonomias. Prosarmozoyme kai ekmetalleyomaste tis klimatikes synqhkes gia na dhmioyrghsoyme mia nea oikonomikh paragwgh gia th xwra pragmatika aeifora''.

ER: Energeia kai periballon. Einai telika antipaloi; Poio einai to mellon toy lignith kai twn sterewn kaysimwn sth xwra;

AP: ``H energeia einai stena syndedemenh me thn paragwgh, kati poy leipei ta teleytaia xronia ejaitias twn mnhmoniakwn symbasewn kai desmeysewn. Sxediazoyme to neo energeiako xarth ths xwras, etsi wste to periballon na einai basikh parametros toy energeiakoy sxediasmoy. H xwra mas kanei mia megalh strofh kai stis enallaktikes morfes energeias, alla kai sthn energeia me mhdeniko apotypwma anqraka, poy einai kai o stoxos, xwris na ypotimoyme thn oikonomikh anaptyjh ths xwras kai thn anagkh prosarmoghs ths oikonomias s'aythn thn kateyqynsh. To plano gia to 2030 einai syndedemeno me ton energeiako xarth kai epidiwkoyme thn proselkysh ependysewn sth xwra, etsi wste na eksygxronistei to energeiako diktyo, na yparjoyn enallaktikes morfes energeias poy na ejasfalizoyn ta eqnika symferonta, na yparxei eisagwgh APE kai kaysimwn xamhlwn ekpompwn anqraka, me taytoxrones prospaqeies epektashs toy net metering kai ston agrotiko tomea, alla kai h epektash toy fysikoy aerioy se oles tis eparxiakes poleis ths Elladas. Sthn kateyqynsh ayth stoxeyei kai h eqnikh strathgikh gia syndeseis me agwgoys kai diktya energeias sthn An. Mesogeio''.

ER: Me poio tropo h prostasia toy periballontos mporei na apotelesei moxlo anaptyjhs gia th xwra;

Ap: ``To periballon den mporei para na apotelesei moxlo anaptyjhs gia th xwra. To antiqeto den einai dynaton. Eite ayto afora stoys fysikoys poroys, symperilambanomenwn kai twn energeiakwn phgwn ths, eite sto prwtogenes proion kai thn enisxysh toy agrotikoy tomea, eite afora sth metapoihsh kai prowqhsh twn proiontwn ths gewrgias kai kthnotrofias. To periballon einai taytothta ths xwras mas ston tomea toy toyrismoy, alla kai se para polla proionta ychlhs ajias. Einai enas tomeas poy sthrizetai h oikonomia kai h ergasia sth xwra mas gi? ayto kai qa to ajiopoihsoyme''.

ER: Se prosfato arqro toy o Economist dinei 60% piqanothtes gia Grexit. Giati anazwpyrwqhke ayth h syzhthsh kai pws mporei na stamathsei;

AP: ``H syzhthsh gia Grexit den anaptyssetai sthn Ellada kai den anaptyssetai sto qesmiko periballon ths Eyrwphs. Ws xwra den prepei na parasyrqoyme sta ``papagalakia'', toso sto ejwteriko oso kai sto eswteriko, poy epidiwkoyn to Grexit me mono stoxo na kaqysterhsei h xwra kai na qigoyn ta symferonta twn Ellhnwn. Anaferomai, epishs, kai se politikoys xwroys, oi opoioi den qetoyn ws proteraiothta toys ta symferonta twn Ellhnwn, alla ta stena kommatika toys symferonta. Eite ekpempetai apo ton k. Soimple mia politikh eis baros ths xwras, eite apo ton k. Mhtsotakh, kai oi dyo ypakoyoyn sto kommatiko symferon kai oxi sto symferon ths politikhs kai twn politwn. H Ellada oson afora stis dhmosionomikes ypoxrewseis einai apolyta synephs. Oson afora to anaptyjiako ypobaqro epishs exei allajei rota, enw taytoxrona h politikh ths kai h strathgikh ths yphretei thn idea mias Eyrwphs proodeytikhs, eniaias, pros ofelos olwn twn kratwn kai olwn twn politwn. Ara, kai dhmosionomika, kai anaptyjiaka, kai paragwgika, h xwra mas yphretei kai ekpempei thn idea ths eniaias Eyrwphs''.

ER: Qa kleisei h ajiologhsh kai me poion tropo;

AP: ``Oi eyrwpaikes fwnes sthn Eyrwph, eite prokeitai gia ton antikagkelario ths Germanias, eite to Sosialdhmokratiko komma, eite ton k. Ntaiselmploym, eite gia toys hgetes ths Gallias kai toy Notoy, topoqetoyntai yper twn epiteygmatwn ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai yper ths symbatothtas ths ellhnikhs politikhs me to programma. Akoma kai to DNT anoigei syzhthsh gia anaqewrhsh twn lanqasmenwn deiktwn poy xrhsimopoiei. Ta apotelesmata ths ELSTAT synhgoroyn gia ryqmoys anaptyjhs kai ena poly shmantiko dhmosionomiko pleonasma. Den amfisbhteitai h ajiologhsh apo ta apotelesmata ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, alla oyte kai apo toys qesmoys. Ayto poy amfisbhteitai isws apo thn pleyra toy DNT h apo kapoioys politikoys xwroys einai h dynatothta na yparxei kai allh politikh. Eimaste se antiqesh me ton neofileleyqerismo. Den eimaste sto idio komma me ton k. Bemper kai ton k. Soimple. Protimoyme to komma twn politwn, to komma twn symferontwn twn Eyrwpaiwn politwn. Oi sysxetismoi fainetai oti beltiwnontai pros ofelos ths xwras mas. Apo ayth thn apoch, zhtoyme na yparxei mia symfwnia me politika xarakthristika kai perilambanei kai ta qemata toy xreoys kai to qema ths xrhmatodothshs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, alla panw ap? ola thn idea ths Eyrwphs poy yposthrizei toys polites ths''.

ER: Problepontai nea metra meta to kleisimo ths ajiologhshs;

AP: ``Den yparxei syzhthsh gia epipleon metra litothtas, etsi wste na prokyptei syzhthsh gia thn chfoforia sth Boylh meta thn oloklhrwsh ths ajiologhshs. H oloklhrwsh ths ajiologhshs qa anoijei to dromo gia epipleon xrhmatodothseis kai trofodosia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, kati poy shmainei epipleon enisxysh ths ergasias kai aytes tis politikes einai poy emeis epidiwkoyme kai sthrizoyme. H epibolh metrwn litothtas den syzhteitai giati den einai oyte anaptyjiako oyte dhmosionomiko ergaleio pleon kai apodeixqhke apo thn efarmogh toys apo thn periodo 2009-2014 oti den eixan tetoia apotelesmata''.

ER: Exei ginei logos kai apo ton idio ton prwqypoyrgo gia thn anagkh dhmioyrgias enos eqnikoy metwpoy. Pws einai ayto dynaton na apotypwqei toso se koinwniko oso kai se politiko epipedo kai me poion tropo mporei ayto na enisxyqei apo thn kybernhsh;

AP: ``Yparxei mia poly dynamikh symmaxia twn politwn yper ths proodoy kai ths epistrofhs ths ergasias kai ths isonomias sth xwra mas. Ayth h koinwnikh diastash piezei kai tis politikes dynameis kai emeis zhtoyme na topoqethqoyn yper ths xwras kai kata twn newn metrwn litothtas. Yper twn politwn kai kata oswn epiboyleyontai thn poreia gia ena kalytero ayrio ths xwras. Den blepoyme na ginetai ayto antilhpto apo oles tis politikes dynameis kai idiaitera apo th ND, h opoia protimaei na akoloyqei toys lanqasmenoys deiktes toy DNT, se antiqesh me to symferon ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai koinwnias. Omws prosoxh: Oi lanqasmenoi deiktes toy DNT einai odikes shmanseis poy odhgoyn se adiejodo''.

ER: Ektimate dhladh oti mporei na yparjei politikh apofash kai strofh twn qesmwn pros mia kateyqynsh oristikhs epilyshs toy zhthmatos ths ajiologhshs;

AP: ``As mh ginei kapoia paranohsh. H protash gia politikh symfwnia, den ypodhlwnei oti den eimaste eparkeis sta dhmosionomika kai anaptyjiaka megeqh. Eimaste eparkeis. Oi Ellhnes kai h ellhnikh oikonomia exoyn sterhqei polla. H politikh symfwnia apaiteitai giati kapoioi prospaqoyn na baloyn epipleon metra apo to paraqyro. Anaferomai sth neofileleyqerh pteryga ths Eyrwphs kai to DNT. H ND kai symfwnei me ayta ta neofileleyqera metra gia na parei thn karekla ths palias ejoysias kai na mhn oloklhrwqei h ajiologhsh. H politikh protash poy kataqetoyme emeis sto trapezi, einai h protash ths eniaias ekfrashs ths Eyrwphs''.

ER: Sto eswteriko ths xwras parathreitai dysareskeia kai apajiwsh apo pleyras twn politwn pros toys politikoys kai thn politikh. Poia einai h aitia aytoy toy fainomenoy kai pws mporei na antistrafei to klima;

AP: ``H apodiarqrwsh ths koinwnias alla kai ths oikonomias apo tis mnhmoniakes politikes, oi megales plhges ths koinwnias dhmioyrgoyn agwnia, alla taytoxrona kai polles anagkes sthn koinwnia mas. Einai gegonos oti h kaqhmerinh propaganda, alla kai h epiqesh poy dexetai h kybernhsh gia na mhn diataraxqoyn oi pylwnes ths palias diaplokhs epidra epishs arnhtika. H koinwnia xreiazetai dyo pragmata kai apodeijeis gi? ayta: Ergasia kai apokatastash ths isonomias. Xreiazetai na dei stoixeia allaghs ths kaqhmerinothtas kai eykairies ergasias, alla kai apokatastash toy AEP. Mia seira parabiasewn ths isonomias poy kyriarxoysan sth xwra eite apo th ``mikro'' eite apo th ``megka'' diaplokh. Kai stoys dyo aytoys tomeis ergazomaste, para tis adynamies kai tis kaqysterhseis poy exei h xwra mas kai pisteyw oti mesa apo ayto to dromo qa ginei kai h apokatastash ths synomilias me toys polites''.

ER: Mhpws o tropos poy diejagontai oi sxetikes syzhthseis sth dhmosia sfaira erijan nero sto mylo toy laikismoy, enisxyontas fwnes apajiwshs;

AP: ``H agwnia ths ellhnikhs koinwnias kai ta adiejoda poy noiwqei otan blepei oti leipei kai to dikio kai h ergasia apo th zwh ths, to omixlwdes ayrio, idiaitera gia toys neoys, dhmioyrgei antidraseis kai ekfraseis poy amfisbhtoyn thn organwsh ths koinwnias. Edw kai kairo h aristera eixe milhsei gia thn anagkh dhmioyrgias mias allhs koinwnias me alles domes oi opoies qa mporoyn na ejyphretoyn oloys toys polites kai ayto prospaqoyme na apodeijoyme me pragmatika bhmata mesa se ena dyskolo periballon. Otan jekinhsame ayth thn prospaqeia hmastan h ejairesh sthn Eyrwph ki eprepe na dhmioyrghsoyme ki ena dieqnes plaisio symmaxias se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Ta bhmata kai sto eswteriko kai sto ejwteriko exoyn apokthsei pio sobaro pathma''.

ER: Me bash tis ejelijeis sthn aristera kai thn kentroaristera, blepete thn anasyntajh enos neoy poloy, toso sthn Ellada oso kai thn Eyrwph;

AP: ``Otan jekinhsame thn prospaqeia prin apo dyo xronia eixame mia poly endiaferoysa syzhthsh me toys Podemos sthn Ispania, me tis allages poy ginontan sth xwra toys. Shmera blepoyme oti kai sth Germania, kai sth Gallia kai sthn Agglia yparxoyn fwnes poy synomiloyn mazi mas gia ena kalytero ayrio, pio dikaio, pio koinwniko, pio proodeytiko. Akoma kai h periptwsh toy k. Santers stis HPA edwse kapoia tetoia stoixeia. Emeis symmetexoyme ektos apo thn eyrwomada ths aristeras kai stis synodoys twn sosialistwn hgetwn giati pisteyoyme oti apaiteitai shmera sthn Eyrwph politikes omades na probaloyn th dynatothta mias neas symmaxias gia thn epistrofh ths ergasias kai ths dhmokratias sthn Eyrwph. Yparxei enas neos ajonas symmaxias poy diamorfwnetai. Fainetai oti ayto qa ephreasei kai tis ekloges poy erxontai se polles xwres ths Eyrwphs, metajy twn opoiwn kai sth Germania. Qewroyme oti einai mia eykairia gia apanthsh sthn akrodejia, ston eqnikismo kai sta fobika syndroma poy anaptyssontai epanw stis politikes poy eixe ylopoihsei to ELK kai oi Xristianodhmokrates, ta teleytaia deka xronia poy epikrathsan. Yparxei kai allh prooptikh. Den prepei na epanapayqoyme, giati kyriarxei stis koinwnies mas h agwnia kai leipei h ergasia''.

ER: To mellon ths Eyrwphs kai h Ellada. Qewreite piqano na katarreysei to eyrwpaiko oikodomhma; Ki an oxi, me poion tropo mporei na epibiwsei;

AP: ``H Eyrwph xreiazetai allagh prosanatolismoy, giati qeloyme na yparxei. Pisteyoyme oti o xwros ths eniaias Eyrwphs einai aytos poy mporei na sthrijei ta basika anqrwpina dikaiwmata kai na apotelesei ena propyrgio gia th dhmokratia kai gia to periballon ston pagkosmio xarth. Exoyme zhthsei se oloys toys tonoys thn allagh ths Eyrwphs, gia na ejasfalisei thn yparjh ths. H Eyrwph prepei na allajei giati qeloyme na yparxei''.

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