[01] "To klima qa antistrafei"

O yfypoyrgos Eswterikwn, armodios gia MME, dhlwnei pws arkei to sxedio ths kybernhshs gia thn antimetwpish ths krishs kai pws an xreiastei qa lhfqoyn prosqeta metra gia toys oikonomika asqenesteroys enw gia tonizei pws to qema twn prowrwn eklogwn exei kleisei me ton pio epishmo tropo apo ton prwqypoyrgo.

Sthn oysia arneitai oti yparxei proseggish me to LAOS me to opoio shmeiwnei yparxoyn ideologikopolitikes diafores enw sto telos ths synenteyjhs anoigei thn kardia toy gia thn polh toy th Qessalonikh me thn opoia dhlwnei erwteymenos.

H synenteyjh toy Kwsta Gkioyleka ston Niko Armenh:

ER: Kyrie Gkioyleka den mporw na mhn jekinhsw apo to qema ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs. H kybernhsh leei pws exei sxedio gia thn antimetwpish twn synepeiwn ths krishs poy exei ftasei kai sth xwra mas. Me to xeri sthn kardia, pisteyete oti telika qa apofygoyme alla metra px forologikoy xarakthra;

AP: Na jekaqarisoyme kati. To sxedio ayto oxi mono yparxei alla jediplwnetai toys teleytaioys mhnes. Mhn jexnate oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh htan ayth poy thn egkalesan sthn EE giati prwth, prwtopora eggyhqhke tis kataqeseis kai politika kai nomika mexri 100.000 eyrw, htan ayth poy edwse sthn poreia to epidoma qermanshs, sas qymizw to tameio kata ths ftwxeias, sas qymizw ta metra yper twn daneiolhptwn gia thn apagoreysh dhladh katasxeshs ths prwths katoikias. Ola ayta einai akribws h efarmogh enos sxedioy gia na antimetwpisoyme ayth thn krish. Enos sxedioy poy exei kyriws ws stoxo toys oikonomika asqenesteroys ek twn sympolitwn mas.

Apo ekei kai pera kanenas den mporei na problecei ti qa ginei an ayth h krish baqainei se ektash kai se xrono, ti qa ginei an ayth h krish krathsei arketa. Den einai qema jerete poy to antimetwpizoyme mono sth Ellada. Ayto afora se oloklhrh th dieqnh koinothta. Tesseris fores oi Eyrwpaikh Epitroph anaqewrhse ton programmatismo kai to sxediasmo ths. Enteka krath melh ths eyrwzwnhs anaqewrhsan ws twra gia pollosth fora kaqe kratos, ton arxiko programmatismo. Emeis edw eimaste tyxeroi giati akomh den geyqhkame - kai eyxomai na perasoyme oso to dynaton pio malaka apo thn krish - tis dramatikes synepeies poy geyqhkan alles xwres. Blepete ti ginetai se isxyroteres oikonomies opws einai h Bretanikh, h Germanikh opoy ekei exoyn mpei sthn yfesh kai kolossoi, megala ergostasia, kleinoyn me apotelesma ekatontades xiliades atoma na briskontai sthn anergia, na prostiqentai sth stratia twn anergwn. Sth dikh mas xwra akomh den yphrjan toso dramatikes synepeies kai lew akomh giati kaneis epanalambanw den mporei na problecei ti qa ginei an px ayth h krish krathsei ena xrono. Se kaqe periptwsh omws, to sxedio ayto poy yparxei apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh jediplwnetai kai na jerete oti an xreiastei - exete dikio - qa lhfqoyn metra, metra omws yper twn oikonomika asqenesterwn.

ER: Me ejairesh to Giwrgo Karatzaferh qa symfwnhsete ki eseis oti h prospaqeia toy Kwsta Karamanlh gia synainesh sthn antimetwpish ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs epese sto keno. Pws xarakthrizete ayth th stash twn politikwn arxhgwn;

AP: Den qa sas apanthsw mono me thn proswpikh moy apoch. Qa daneistw kapoia stoixeia apo ta dhmoskopika eyrhmata. Opoy ekei ena syntriptiko pososto twn erwthqentwn se oles tis dhmoskophseis, peripoy ena 70%, deixnei oti oi ellhnes polites zhtoyn synainesh kai zhtoyn na omonohsoyn oi politikes dynameis gia na antimetwpisoyn ayto to meizonos shmasias qema ths pagkosmias krishs apo thn opoia dierxomeqa. M'ayth thn ennoia qa elega oti einai laqos toylaxiston kapoies ek twn politikwn dynamewn - de milw gia oles giati yparxoyn kapoies poy dogmatika exoyn th dikh toys qesh opws to KKE - alla qa prepei na pw oti to komma toy PASOK enw qa eprepe na antilhfqei oti se mia tetoia prwtofanh krish, poy isws den yparxei paromoia ths apo thn epoxh toy '29 apo to megalo krax poy egine sthn Amerikh, qa eprepe toylaxiston s'ayto to qema na mporesoyme na katsoyme se ena trapezi, na syzhthsoyme kai na broyme ena koino topo. Ayto zhthse o prwqypoyrgos. Otan leme synainesh, pame na broyme ena koino sxedio drashs, na akoysoyme tis protaseis kai twn ypoloipwn, na synqesoyme ena eqniko sxedio gia na antimetwpisoyme thn krish. Ekei loipon lypamai alla gia allh mia fora synanthsame th steira arnhsh, to laikismo, th dhmagwgia. M'ayth thn ennoia egw qa hqela mono na stigmatisw ayth th stash kai na pw oti se kaqe periptwsh ayto to opoio qa prepei na mas endiaferei einai to kalo toy topoy kai to politiko symferon ths kaqe paratajhs. Oi ellhnes polites qeloyn lysh sta problhmata toys kai eidika s'ayth thn pagkosmia krish qeloyn na jeroyn pws mporoyme na antimetwpisoyme ta pragmata. Emeis ws kybernhsh prospaqoyme kai ta antimetwpizoyme. An eimastan oloi mazi einai bebaio oti qa prospaqoysame kai qa ta katafername akomh kalytera.

ER: Para tis prospaqeies ths kybernhshs den blepw na kleinei to qema twn prowrwn eklogwn. O prwqypoyrgos leei kai janaleei oti den skeftetai ekloges, o k. Papandreoy me kaqe eykairia tis zhtaei kai stelexh kai twn dyo megalwn kommatwn miloyn gia ekloges. Mhpws telika den yparxei kapnos xwris fwtia;

AP: Exei jekaqaristei me ton pio epishmo tropo. O idios o prwqypoyrgos exei dhlwsei oti den einai sta sxedia toy oi ekloges. Ekloges qa erqoyn stis 7 Ioynioy gia to eyrwpaiko koinoboylio. Apo ekei kai pera mprosta mas k. Armenh, exoyme ta sobara problhmata twn ellhnwn politwn. O kosmos qelei lysh sta problhmata toy. O anergos qelei lysh sto problhma ths anergias, o misqwtos kai o xamhlosyntajioyxos perimenoyn lyseis sto syrriknwmeno eisodhma - eidika mesa ap'ayth thn krish - kai gi'ayto sas eipa pws ta metra ta opoia lambanontai kyriws exoyn ws stoxo toys oikonomika asqenesteroys sympolites mas. M'ayth thn ennoia gia emas den yparxei qema eklogwn kai pisteyw oti osoi synthroyn thn eklogologia prosferoyn kakes yphresies ston topo.

ER: Na erqw kai sto qema poy proekyce tis teleytaies hmeres sto politiko reportaz. Milw gia to flert metajy ND kai LAOS. Akoysa th qesh ths kybernhshs dia toy kybernhtikoy ekproswpoy. Jerw tis sxetikes dhlwseis toy prwqypoyrgoy. Sas rwtw eyqews. Gia esas to LAOS einai akraio komma; Einai xwros me ton opoio exete megales ideologikopolitikes diafores;

AP: Kat'arxhn me to LAOS safws yparxoyn shmantikes diafores. Apo thn allh pleyra den katalabainw gia poio logo anaferetai olo ayto to diasthma, thn ebdomada poy akoloyqhse th synanthsh twn politikwn arxhgwn me ton prwqypoyrgo, ayto to flert. Einai kako mia politikh dynamh opws o LAOS na antapokriqei sthn prosklhsh toy prwqypoyrgoy ths xwras sthn krisimh ayth katastash kai na pei oti nai egw synainw gia na doyme pws qa bgaloyme apo ayto to adiejodo ton topo; Kai ayto antiqeta, an dhladh kapoios epideijei pneyma diaqeshs kalhs synergasias ayto shmainei aparaithta oti pame se synergasies eklogikoy xarakthra kai ola ayta ta eyfantasta senaria ta opoia exoyn dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas; Apo poy prokyptei to ena me to allo; H prosklhsh toy prwqypoyrgoy htan jekaqarh. S'ayth thn prosklhsh proshlqan oi politikoi arxhgoi, kapoios symfwnhse - o k. Karatzaferhs - kapoioi diafwnhsan. Giati qa prepei ayta na trofodothsoyn ola ayta ta senaria; Den nomizw oti xreiazetai na mpoyme se ayth th diadikasia. Exei jekaqarisei to topio, emeis zhthsame th synainesh gia to qema ths krishs, o k. Karatzaferhs opws o idios dhlwse, ekrine oti sthn paroysa fash prepei na synainesei kai na dei mazi me thn kybernhsh pws mporei na bohqhsei ton topo. Kai m'ayth thn ennoia antimetwpizoyme apo koinoy to sygkekrimeno ayto qema ths krishs panw sthn koinh bash poy symfwnhsan oi dyo politikoi arxhgoi. Ola ta ypoloipa nomizw einai eyfantasta senaria.

ER: Dyo mhnes meta ton anasxhmatismo qa hqela th gnwmh sas gia thn eikona ths kybernhshs enw edw kai para poly kairo to PASOK prohgeitai se oles tis dhmoskophseis.

AP: Eimaste se mia poly krisimh kamph. H xwra dierxetai apo ayth thn prwtofanh krish, yparxoyn polla eswterika problhmata . Egw den qelw na milw me jylino politiko logo, eimai apo to xwro ths dhmosiografias kai exw maqei na bazw to daktylo epi ton typo twn hlwn . Qa sas pw, epeidh anaferate tis dhmoskophseis, oti pragmati apotypwnoyn oti h eikona ths N.D eqigei olo to prohgoymeno diasthma. Edw yparxoyn omws dyo ermhneies. Eqigei dioti jafnika to PASOK probale enan ajiopisto politiko logo kai egine elkystiko me protaseis, enallaktikes lyseis poy proteine ston ellhniko lao; H giati h N.D, mesa apo mia seira adynamies, astoxies, xamhles epidoseis, laqh poy eginan, exane; Pisteyw to deytero. Oti exane olo ayto to diasthma h N.D kai gi'ayto apotypwqhke ayto to probadisma toy PASOK. Me alla logia pisteyw oti einai sto diko mas xeri, me sklhrh doyleia, me liga logia, me grhgora kai amesa apotelesmata poy qa ta noiwsei o ellhnas poliths, na antistrecoyme to klima. Kai qewrw oti oxi mono einai efikto alla oti qa ginei pragmatikothta sto prosexes diasthma. Ayto apanta kai sto pws brisketai ayth th stigmh h kybernhsh. H entolh poy exoyme apo ton prwqypoyrgo einai mia. Liga logia. Pollh kai sklhrh doyleia. Apotelesmata.

ER: Kleinontas qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia thn polh sas, th Qessalonikh. Sas akoysa prosfata na dhlwnete erwteymenos m'ayth thn polh. Peite mas dyo logia...

AP: Egw eimai gennhma qremma qessalonikios. Ekei gennhqhka, ekei megalwsa, ekei zw, ekei drasthriopoihqhka epaggelmatika, ekei politeyomai, ekei einai h oikogeneia moy, ekei oi filoi moy, ekei oi sympolites moy dinoyn thn empistosynh toys gia na ekproswphsw ayth thn polh sthn prwth eklogikh perifereia sto koinoboylio. Oso omws leipw gia tis anagkes toy koinoboylioy sthn Aqhna anakalyptw kai pali ayth thn polh. Qelw na pw oti oso zei kaneis mesa sthn polh toy polles fores den antilambanetai tis dynameis poy krybei ayth h polh kai xreiazetai kapoia stigmh na moirazei th zwh toy, opws ki egw tis mises hmeres tis ebdomados briskomai sthn Aqhna, gia na antilhfqw pragmata poy den ta eixa antilhfqei otan emena monima kai den xreiazotan na exw aytes tis metakinhseis. H Qessalonikh exei para polles dynatothtes kai egw pragmatika dhlwnw erwteymenos me ayth thn polh, pisteyw oti ajizei kaneis na agwnistei me oles toy tis dynameis gia th Qessalonikh. Nomoteleiaka h Qessalonikh qa proxwrhsei kai qa anaptyxqei kai an den qelhsei to Aqhnokentriko kratos na bohqhsei th Qessalonikh. Poy m'ayth thn kybernhsh yparxei ekpefrasmenh boylhsh na ginei kati tetoio - o prwqypoyrgos einai kai boyleyths Qessalonikhs kai to exei deijei empraktws pws qelei na proxwrhsei kai na dwsei wqhsh - gi'ayto teleiwse amesa h Egnatia Odos, gi'ayto jekinhsan ta megala erga sthn polh, gi'ayto exoyn ginei mia seira apo draseis kai prwtoboylies pros th boreio Ellada. Alla se kaqe periptwsh egw pisteyw oti h Qessalonikh prepei na diekdikhsei akomh pio dynata ayta poy ths anhkoyn. Ennow oti oytws h allws qa prwtagwnisthsei, giati ayto poy htan kapote to sygkritiko meionekthma ths oti apeixe poly konta apo ta synora kai ws th dekaetia toy '90 yphrxe panw apo ta boreia synora mas enas teleiws diaforetikos politikos, koinwnikos, oikonomikos kosmos - milw gia krath toy prwhn anatolikoy synaspismoy - ayto shmera einai to sygkritiko pleonekthma ths Qessalonikhs. Oti apexei elaxista apo th Sofia, apo ta Skopia, apo to Beligradi, to Boykoyresti, thn Kwnstantinoypolh, apo alles megales prwteyoyses ths notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs, oti panw apo ta boreia synora mas anoigontai terasties agores kai oti h Qessalonikh einai to fysiko epineio olhs ayths ths terastias perioxhs. Oso perissotero dynamwsoyme th Qessalonikh, oso tis dwsoyme tis dynatothtes na prwtagwnisthsei sto apo edw kai mpros xroniko diasthma, den qa einai kerdismenh h Qessalonikh, den qa einai kerdismenh h Makedonia kai h Boreia Ellada. Qa einai kerdismenh olh h xwra kyrie Armenh giati prepei na katalaboyme oti o ellhnikos borras exei na dwsei para polla se toyto ton topo, s'ayth thn patrida kai toylaxiston emeis poy proerxomaste apo ekei qa agwnistoyme oles mas tis dynameis aisiodoja kai qewroyme oti qa exoyme grhgora apotelesmata.

[02] Endiaferoyses anametrhseis

Parallhla, o Panaqhnaikos exei pio eykolh apostolh, afoy qa filojenhqei apo ton oyrago Qrasyboylo, enw o PAOK dokimazetai sto ``Alkazar'' me thn Larisa. Oi dyo antipaloi exoyn ws stoxo thn symmetoxh sta plei of, me toys Qessalonikeis na exoyn ejasfalisei thn paroysia toys kai toys Qessaloys na briskontai poly konta.

Epishs, h AEK, qa ypodexqei ton OFH se mia anametrhsh opoy oi Krhtes paizoyn ena apo ta teleytaia xartia toys gia paramonh, enw o Panserraikos qa paijei sthn Komothnh me ton Panqrakiko, me monadiko stoxo to ``diplo'' poy qa ton diathrhsei ``zwntano'' sthn ypoqesh-paramonh.

Telos, o Arhs filojenei thn Janqh kai qelei thn nikh gia na elpizei sta plei-of, o Lebadeiakos ypodexetai ton Paniwnio kai me nikh qa kanei shmantiko bhma gia thn paramonh, enw Ergotelhs kai Asteras Tripolhs qa anametrhqoyn se enan agwna xwris fabori.

To programma kai h baqmologia:

Sabbato 14 Martioy 16:45 Larisa-PAOK ALPHA

19:00 AEK-OFH NOVA

19:00 Arhs-Janqh NET

Kyriakh 15 Martioy 15:00 Ergotelhs-Asteras Tripolhs

16:45 Lebadeiakos-Paniwnios ALPHA

16:45 Panqrakikos-Panserraikos NOVA

19:00 Qrasyboylos-Panaqhnaikos NOVA

19:00 Olympiakos-Hraklhs NET

BAQMOLOGIA SYNOLO ENTOS EKTOS

AG. N-I-H N-I-H N-I-H TERM. BAQ.

1. Olympiakos 25 18-5-2 12-1-0 6-4-2 38-10 59

2. Panaqhnaikos 25 14-8-3 8-4-1 6-4-2 44-16 50

. PAOK 25 14-8-3 9-4-0 5-4-3 30-13 50

4. AEK 25 12-11-2 9-2-1 3-9-1 34-20 47

5. Larisa 25 9-11-5 6-5-2 3-6-3 32-26 38

6. Arhs 25 9-8-8 6-5-1 3-3-7 20-26 35

7. Janqh 25 7-11-7 4-6-2 3-5-5 19-15 32

8. Ergotelhs 25 8-6-11 4-3-5 4-3-6 27-35 30

9. Asteras Tripolhs 25 6-11-8 5-4-3 1-7-5 27-22 29

. Paniwnios 25 8-5-12 5-4-4 3-1-8 29-32 29

. Hraklhs 25 7-8-9 3-6-4 4-2-6 18-25 29

. Panqrakikos 25 8-5-12 4-3-5 4-2-7 14-25 29

13. Lebadeiakos 25 8-4-13 7-3-2 1-1-11 22-28 28

14. Panserraikos 25 5-7-13 3-3-7 2-4-6 14-35 22

15. OFH 25 4-8-13 1-4-8 3-4-5 24-39 20

16. Qrasyboylos 25 3-4-18 1-3-8 2-1-10 19-43 13

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