[01] K.Karamanlhs: "H nomimothta den jexwrizei kanenan"

"Oi ereynes ths dikaiosynhs synexizontai kai den proekyce eyqynh politikwn proswpwn. Empisteyomaste th Dikaiosynh kai qa sebastoyme tis apofaseis ths", tonise o prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs apantwntas se epikairh erwthsh toy prwhn proedroy ths Boylhs k. Apostoloy Kaklamanh sxetikws me th systash Ejetastikwn Epitropwn gia tis ypoklopes kai ta domhmena omologa, sto plaisio ths ``Wras toy Prwqypoyrgoy''

``Aytapates as mhn exei kanenas. Toso sthn periptwsh twn Zwnianwn h se opoiadhpote allh periptwsh, h nomimotata qa einai isxyrh. Oi nomoi isxyoyn gia oloys. Oi nomoi qa efarmozontai gia oloys, opoioi ki an einai opoy ki an briskontai'', ypogrammise o k. Karamanlhs kai prosqese pws ``esties diafqoras, esties anomias, esties anypakohs stoys nomoys den ginontai anektes. Eimaste metwpika antiqetoi, kai ayto einai mia megalh diafora sto xqes kai sto shmera'' eipe o k. Karamanlhs tonizontas oti h boylhsh ths kybernhshs ``einai jekaqarh, einai isxyrh, einai adiapragmateyth''.

Nwritera, o k. Ap. Kaklamanhs eixe epikrinei thn kybernhsh ths ND oti h idia stamathse tis ejetastikes epitropes poy zhtoyse alla kai tis kataggelies ths gia ``proagwgoys toy dhmosioy bioy''. Otan kataggellete ayta ``kai gineste kybernhsh, kai stamatate ekei, ti qelete na kanoyn oi kthnotrofoi twn orewn toy Chloreith; Aytoi qa katoxyrwsoyn tis arxes kai tis ajies mias sygxronhs dhmokratikhs politeias;'' anarwthqhke o k. Kaklamanhs.

O prwqypoyrgos sxoliase kai thn ``yponoia'' poy afhnei h erwthsh Kaklamanh gia ekloges, prin th lhjh ths epomenhs synodoy. ``Katalabainw thn anhsyxia sas'' eipe o k. Karamanlhs kai prosqese: ``h kybernhsh omws exei isxyrh laikh entolh'', exei th dynamh ths, th megalh koinwnikh pleiochfia twn allagwn kai twn metarryqmisewn, einai afosiwmenh sto sxedio poy symfwnhsame me toys polites gia th nea tetraetia kai sto ergo poy ofeiloyme sthn patrida. ``Kai to ergo ayto oyte to diapragmateyomaste, oyte to diakindyneyoyme'' dhlwse.

Oso gia thn kritikh oti h kybernhsh den synainei sth sygkrothsh ejetastikwn epitropwn gia tis ypoklopes kai ta domhmena omologa o k. Karamanlhs eipe oti ``h ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs synexizetai, oti elegxontai ta panta kai oti eyqynes politikwn proswpwn den proekycan se kamia periptwsh''. Gia th stash, de, twn kybernhsewn PASOK eipe oti aporrifqhkan oi dekatreis apo tis dekatesseris sxetikes aithseis: ``Paristanete ws Antipoliteysh toys kataggellontes gia praktikes poy sas katesthsan kathgoroymenoys'' eipe o k. Karamanlhs.

Apo thn pleyra toy, o k. Kaklamanhs eipe oti oi ejetastikes epitropes den ginontai otan yparxoyn politikes eyqynes ypoyrgwn alla gia qemata meizonos dhmosioy endiaferontos. Yposthrije epishs oti, h ypoqesh gia tis ypoklopes den einai sth dikaiosynh alla ``sto arxeio'', kaqws epishs oti o proedros ths armodias arxhs gia ta omologa k. Zormpas ``epibebaiwse emmesws oti yparxei qema xrhmatos poy diakinhqhke se sygkekrimeno kommatiko xwro''.

Apanthsh se erwthsh toy X.Kastanidh

``O Proypologismos toy 2008, den problepei ayjhsh toy FPA kata dyo monades, enw kai h nea fash ths forologikhs metarryqmishs qa perilambanei dieyrynsh ths forologikhs bashs, aplopoihsh ths forologias akinhtwn, foroapallages sthn agora prwths katoikias kai gonikes paroxes, anamorfwsh toy systhmatos diakinhshs twn kaysimwn. Oi kryfes atzentes, ta kryfa xreh, ta kryfa biblia, htan praktikes allwn epoxwn kai allwn kybernhsewn''.

Ta parapanw anefere o prwqypoyrgos, apantwntas se erwthsh toy boyleyth toy PASOK, k. Xarh Kastanidh, peri endexomenhs ayjhshs toy FPA kata dyo posostiaies monades ``para th rhth proeklogikh diaceysh'' kai yparjhs etsi, ``kryfhs atzentas'' sthn kybernhtikh politikh.

Epikaloymenos o k. Kastanidhs th ragdaia ayjhsh twn timwn sthn agora petrelaioy, thn oikonomikh yfesh stis HPA kai tis epiptwseis ths sthn Eyrwph, alla kai thn aporrich ek meroys ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, twn stoixeiwn gia ayjhsh toy ellhnikoy AEP kata 25%, qewrhse bebaio ''oti h kybernhsh qa anagkastei na labei syntoma metra eispraktikoy xarakthra.''

``H syzhthsh gia ton FPA, proekyce ws prwto qema meta tis ekloges, ej aitias ths parembashs toy Xoakim Almoynia, o opoios me epishmes dhlwseis toy amfisbhtoyse th dynatothta toy Proypologismoy na ylopoihqei sto skelos twn esodwn (?) H ayjhsh toy FPA kata 2 monades fainetai na einai pio konta apo pote. H kybernhsh ypekfeygei kai den apanta eyqews, ean qa ayjhsei ton FPA, oxi monon gia syntomo xroniko diasthma, alla kai gia to synolo ths qhteias ths'' anefere o k. Kastanidhs.

``Einai profanes oti gia mia akoma fora, h kybernhsh qa prospaqhsei na kalycei ta elleimmata me emmesoys foroys poy synepagetai ekrhjh timwn kai neo gyro kerdoskopias'' parathrhse o boyleyths toy PASOK. ``An ta metra ayta qa einai h ayjhsh toy FPA kata dyo monades - tote qa exoyme ypermetrh epibarynsh twn ftwxwn Ellhnwn, akoma kai twn mesaiwn eisodhmatwn. Elpizoyme oti h kybernhsh den qa kanei tetoio paratolmo egxeirhma se baros toy ellhnikoy laoy kai den qa ayjhsei ton FPA'' katelhje.

``H oikonomia sthrizetai se sterees baseis kai pragmatikes prosdokies'' apanthse o prwqypoyrgos. ``Para ta epipeda rekor stis times twn kaysimwn, to sxedio dhmosionomikhs ejygianshs synexizetai stoys ajones poy exoyme kaqorisei: Amesh proteraiothta h antimetwpish ths forodiafyghs sta kaysima, me peraiterw enisxysh twn elegktikwn mhxanismwn, aysthrotero elegxo twn elegxontwn, alla kai symprajh olwn twn koinwnikwn etairwn, olwn twn politwn, anabaqmish toy systhmatos hlektronikwn diastayrwsewn, aplopoihsh ths forologias sta akinhta, apofygh ths forologias perioysias, ejygiansh twn DEKO, neo systhma promhqeiwn sto ESY, metarryqmish sth dioikhtikh domh ths xwras, epektash twn symprajewn idiwtikoy kai dhmosioy''.

``O,ti eipame proeklogika, efarmozetai kai meteklogika'' ypogrammise o k. Karamanlhs.

Apanthsh se erwthsh toy F.Koybelh

``Oi eikones me tis katalhceis sta sxoleia den einai eikones proodoy alla baqytata synthrhtikes praktikes'', tonise o prwqypoyrgos, me aformh sxetikh epikairh erwthsh toy boyleyth toy SYRIZA Fwth Koybelh. Parallhla, o k. Karamanlhs apeyqyne ekklhsh pros oloys, kommata, ekpaideytikoys foreis , goneis kai maqhtes na symbaloyn sthn ektonwsh ths katastashs kai sto dialogo gia anabaqmish ths paideias wste na breqoyn lyseis sta diaxronika problhmata poy yparxoyn.

Apo thn pleyra toy o k. Koybelhs, ypogrammise oti tis katalhceis den tis ypokinei kaneis, para mono ta megala problhmata poy antimetwpizoyn oi maqhtes sto xwro ths paideias.

``To dikaiwma sth gnwsh den mporei na parempodizetai apo kanena. Ta paidia den exoyn periqwria gia xamenes wres, gia xamena maqhmata. Ta paidia einai anagkh na gyrisoyn sta sxoleia toys. Oloi exoyme eyqynes apenanti toys'', epeshmane o prwqypoyrgos enw shmeiwse:

''Oi eikones me tis alysides kai ta loyketa stis portes twn sxoleiwn den einai oyte proodeytikes, oyte dhmokratikes. Einai baqytata synthrhtikes eikones poy apokalyptoyn praktikes enantia sth gnwsh, sth proodo kai einai praktikes twn ligwn se baros twn pollwn poy den mporei na synexizontai''.

``Oloi qeloyme anoikta sxoleia. Tis katalhceis kanenas den ypokinei. Ypokinoyntai mono apo ta idia megala problhmata poy yparxoyn sthn ekpaideysh kai antimetwpizoyn kaqhmerina oi maqhtes'', anteteine o k. Koybelhs. Taytoxrona, apariqmhse seira problhmatwn, poy opws eipe, yparxoyn sto xwro ths Paideias dinontas emfash sthn aneparkeia twn sxolikwn ktiriwn, stis elleiceis didaktikoy proswpikoy alla kai stis aqlies synqhkes ygieinhs poy yparxoyn se orismena apo ayta.

``Oi lyseis den briskontai sthn adraneia'', antapanthse o prwqypoyrgos enw anaferomenos sthn Anwtath Ekpaideysh, ekane logo gia ``ena basiko oxhma ths xwras pros to mellon me ena poiotiko Dhmosio Panepisthmio poy prepei na eksygxronistei, na dynamwsei kai na anagennhqei''

`` H Anaqewrhtikh Boylh dinei thn eykairia se oles tis politikes dynameis na topoqethqoyn me eyqynh kai kaneis, den mporei na isxyrizetai oti antapokrinetai sto xreos toy, drapeteyontas apo thn apofash gia thn Paideia toy mellontos'', katelhje o prwqypoyrgos.

[02] "O SYRIZA foreas enallaktikhs apanthshs"

O k. Alabanos eipe oti "h kaqe biomhxania kanei o,ti ths goystarei, xwris na yparxei kanenas elegxos kai prosqese oti ta tojika kai rypogona apoblhta mporei na ta rixnei opoy qelei, ston Aswpo, ston ydroforo orizonta kai na ta rixnei mesa sto nero, to opoio pinoyn ta mwra sto spiti toys".

O proedros toy SYRIZA zhthse na lhfqoyn amesa metra opws:

"-Na yparxei asfales nero gia oloys toys katoikoys. Poy shmainei sthn pragmatikothta oti olos o topos prepei na mpei se katastash ektakths anagkhs mexris otoy sto diktyo perasei, me amesa metra, kaqaro nero kai meta syndeqei me ta diktya ths EYDAP, ta opoia den einai makria apo dw.

-Prepei na stamathsei ayth h synexizomenh paragwgh rypanshs, poy shmainei oti prepei na epanejetastoyn oles oi adeies leitoyrgias twn biomhxaniwn poy paragoyn ejasqenes xrwmio h alla tojika ylika alla kai twn biomhxaniwn poy xrhsimopoioyn to nero, to opoio hdh exei molynqei kai periexei ayta ta karkinogona stoixeia".

Zhtame apo thn kybernhsh, eipe o k. Alabanos, "sto onoma ths prostasias twn katanalwtwn olhs ths xwras, na dwsei ton katalogo twn biomhxaniwn trofimwn poy xrhsimopoioyn nera apo ton ydroforo orizonta twn Oinofytwn. Na leitoyrghsoyn oloi oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi. Na mhn yparjei distagmos, an xreiazetai, na mhn doqei adeia. Kai, epishs, pisteyoyme oti ta kondylia poy qa yparjoyn apo ta prostima, ta opoia hdh exoyn epiblhqei h qa epiblhqoyn, na xrhsimopoihqoyn kyriws gia thn perioxh, na yparjei elegxos ths ygeias twn katoikwn, na yparjoyn parembaseis gia thn apokatastash ths perioxhs".

Synenteyjh P.Lafazanh sto APE-MPE

Taxeia fqora ths kybernhshs kai synexish ths entashs sto PASOK, diablepei o boyleyths toy SYRIZA k. Panagiwths Lafazanhs se synenteyjh toy sto APE -MPE.

O k.Lafazanhs ektima oti se ayto to neo plaisio, to komma toy exei th dynatothta na anadeixqei ws o katejoxhn foreas mias proodeytikhs enallaktikhs apanthshs sthn poreia ths xwras, enw yposthrizei oti se periptwsh prowrwn eklogwn kai ta dyo megala kommata qa ypostoyn peraiterw fqora.

ER:To kybernhtiko komma einai antimetwpo me ena kyma epikrisewn apo stelexh toy, enw to PASOK, meta apo ena megalo diasthma entonwn antiparaqesewn, odhgeitai sthn eklogh proedroy. Poies einai oi politikes prosdokies toy SYRIZA mesa se ayto to skhniko;

AP: To kyrio problhma gia thn kybernhsh den einai toso oi opoies epikriseis apo orismenoys boyleytes ths pleiochfias, oso h ogkoymenh - kai meta tis ekloges - koinwnikh antiqesh apenanti se mia kybernhtikh politikh poy plhttei ta platia laika strwmata. Apo thn allh, to PASOK den fainetai oti mporei na jeperasei thn krish toy me thn eklogh Proedroy, h opoia mporei na synexisqei kai isws na entaqei. Sto baqos aytwn twn problhmatwn, sto kyriarxo politiko skhniko, briskontai ta adiejoda twn neofileleyqerwn - antikoinwnikwn epilogwn kai ths dikommatikhs synaineshs. O SYRIZA mesa se ayto to neo plaisio exei th dynatothta me thn oysiastikh toy antipoliteysh, tis qeseis kai tis protaseis toy, na anadeixqei ws o katejoxhn foreas mias proodeytikhs enallaktikhs apanthshs gia thn poreia ths xwras. Nomizw oti ayth einai h megalh proklhsh poy antimetwpizoyme.

ER: Se o,ti afora thn kybernhsh, o prwqypoyrgos eixe desmeyqei proeklogika oti kata th deyterh qhteia toy qa epitaxynqoyn oi metarryqmiseis. Wstoso, sxedon dyo mhnes meta tis ekloges, diatypwnontai epifylajeis apo polles pleyres. Poia einai h dikh sas ektimhsh gia thn ews twra poreia ths kybernhshs;

AP: H kybernhsh sxedon apo thn epomenh twn eklogwn, gnwrizei mia taxeia fqora. To fainomeno einai mallon prwtofanes gia mia neoeklegmenh kybernhsh. O logos einai oti o k. K.Karamanlhs, enw elege eyxarista pragmata kata thn proeklogikh periodo, meteklogika, toso me ton proypologismo oso kai me to qema toy asfalistikoy, gia na mhn anaferqw se polla alla, emfanise mia eikona foroepidromhs kai katedafishs asfalistikwn dikaiwmatwn. O kosmos exei antilhfqei, pleon, oti oi legomenes ``metarryqmiseis'' apoblepoyn sto na enisxysoyn th qesh toy megaloy kefalaioy kai na syrriknwsoyn, mexri ekmhdenishs, dikaiwmata kai katakthseis toy kosmoy ths ergasias. Exw thn aisqhsh oti sto neo politiko plaisio poy exei diamorfwqei kai meta apo tis ekloges, tetoioy eidoys ``metarryqmiseis'' dyskola qa perasoyn, giati synantoyn poly megales koinwnikes antistaseis.

ER: Pisteyete oti einai anapofeykth nea prosfygh stis kalpes;

AP: Nomizw oti genika den mporei na apokleistei to endexomeno prowrwn eklogwn. Einai profanes, omws, oti h kybernhsh gia na kanei, me kapoio prosxhma, grhgora ekloges prepei na exei kapoia sigoyria oti qa apospasei ena megalytero eklogiko pososto apo ekeino ths 16hs Septembrh, dioti alliws qa apwlesei kai th shmerinh isxnh aytodynamia ths. Ayth, omws, einai mia dyskolia h opoia mporei na apodeixqei anyperblhth kai na mataiwsei kaqe skech gia grhgorh prosfygh stis kalpes. O ponokefalos ths kybernhshs einai oti den arkoyn oi prowres ekloges, xreiazontai taytoxrona kai chfoi. H dikh moy aisqhsh einai oti se periptwsh newn eklogwn, toso h kybernhtikh paratajh, oso kai to PASOK, to piqanotero einai na pane akoma xeirotera apo tis prosfates ekloges.

ER: To teleytaio diasthma parakoloyqoyme mia entonh antiparaqesh me to LA.O.S. Poia ta aitia ths kai pws krinete thn ews twra poreia toy kommatos aytoy sth Boylh dedomenoy oti proeklogika o k. A. Alabanos eixe dhlwsei oti den epiqymoyse thn eisodo toy LA.O.S sth Boylh;

AP: O LAOS einai ena komma poy metewrizetai alloprosalla stis pio eteroklhtes kateyqynseis. Pisteyw, omws, oti epi ths oysias den exei krisimes diafwnies me thn kybernhtikh politikh. Antiqeta, ayto poy apokomizw apo th Boylh kai tis qeseis toy LAOS, einai oti sta oikonomika qemata, toylaxiston, kinoyntai sto idio plaisio me tis kybernhtikes epiloges. Apo th mia rhxos kai epilektikos ``antiamerikanismos'' kai epifaneiakh ``antipagkosmiopoihtikh'' rhtoreia kai apo thn allh yposthrijh ths ``oikonomias ths agoras'' kai ths ``epixeirhmatikhs prwtoboylias''. Exw thn entypwsh oti to LAOS leitoyrgei symplhrwmatika sthn kybernhtikh politikh kai epixeirei na emfanisqei ws ``aparaithth'' kai ``xrhsimh'' dynamh gia thn akoma pio synthrhtikh metatopish ths sto gnwsto triptyxo ``patris, qrhskeia, oikogeneia''.

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