Enenhnta Epta - To Periodiko ths Politistikhs Prwteyoysas Teyxos 6o

NIKOS KOYNDOYROS

Yphrxe mia a8wothta poy xa8hke

Mia synomilia me ton 8emh Liberiadh

8.L. Loipon, mia poy apoce me th griph soy «allazoyme roloys», egw 8a synexisw na soy kanw ...th nosokoma kai 'sy 8a moy milhseis gia ton allo pyreto soy, th zwgrafikh... 3erw, manteyw mallon, poy 8a katalh3oyme, alla den peirazei. As baloyme gia ligo to palio, to naytiko mas kostoymaki me ta xrysa koympia ki as ta3idecoyme ston xrono kai ston xwro mas, par' olo poy isws mas «plhgwsei» pali... Zwgrafise moy me th mnhmh soy toys «Laistrygones kai toys Kyklwpes». Pes moy pali gia ton Kentayro erwtidea, gia tis gorgones poy fylane ta nhsia mas... Sta nhsia mas, mhn paraleiceis ki ekeino to makrino kai pio «makry»...

N.K. Na soy pw, kale moy 8emh, mia fora ki enan kairo... egw 3ekinhsa, sth neara moy zwh, sta 14-15-16 xronia me ena pa8os gia th zwgrafikh, kai ta kataloipa aytoy toy pa8oys 3ypnane ka8e treis kai ligo, den apokophkan. Agaphsa th zwgrafikh, par' olo poy se mia fash toy taragmenoy niatoy moy, moy fanhke oti h zwgrafikh htan poly ligh gia na kalycei tis ametres filodo3ies poy eixa san nearos, na exw fwnh, na fwna3w, na me akoysoyne, na parw meros (ti meros pairnei enas zwgrafos twra, elega) se mia koinwnia anastatwmenh, se mia neolaia poy diamorfwnotane sta pezodromia me tis ntoyntoykes, me tis fwnes, me ta gracimata stoys toixoys. Sthn katoxh hmoyna strateymenos neos, exw gracei, exw pasaleicei me ta xeria moy toys toixoys ths A8hnas, exw fwna3ei me th ntoyntoyka s' oles tis geitonies, toys synoikismoys, poy mporeis na fantas8eis: Lae ths A8hnas, Lae ths Kaisarianhs, Lae toy Gkyzh... To xarisma ths zwgrafikhs moy fainotan, as pw, mia polyteleia. H8ela na 'moyn sto pezodromio, ki akoma to 8elw... Exw thn entypwsh pws htan mia filareskeia na hmoyn zwgrafos. Ayth h endostrefeia, aytes oi poly proswpikes fwnes den m' arezan. H8ela ena meros s' ena synolo toy kosmoy, sto pezodromio, sthn maza, stis diadhlwseis... Den yphrxe diadhlwsh, apo deka pente xronw, poy na mhn hmoyn mesa, na oyrliazw, na petaw petres, na kynhgiemai... Ekamna tote o,ti eprepe na kanw. Siga siga omws galhneca. Frontise kai h patrida kai m' esteile, opws les, sto Makronhsi, san ena meros ths 8erapeias moy. Ki ekei den yphrxan pezodromia, den yphrxan fwnes, giati ola eprepe na ginoyn se xamhloys tonoys, h na mhn ginoyn ka8oloy. Ekei siga siga epe3ergas8hka thn idea na kanw kinhmatografo: htan ena 8eatro ekei, poy me apasxolhse... Katalaba thn shmasia toy pikramenoy logoy... Ki etsi mphka sto mysthrio ths 8eatrikhs kai, sthn synexeia, ths kinhmatografikhs ekfrashs.

8.L. Mphkes me biaio, me agrio tropo... Poies mnhmes, ti eikones mporeis na anakaleseis twra;

N.K. Sto paraskhnio h Kolash... epi skhnhs: to periergo noikokyremeno stratopedo «eytyxismenwn» an8rwpwn, poy kykloforoysan sthn plagia toy boynoy kai koitazane, me ta kokkinismena apo th skonh matia toys, toys episkeptes, amilhtoi... Poy kai poy kati san syn8hma kai h siwphlh maza, o xoros, emphge treis foberes krayges «Zhtw... Zhtw... Zhtw...» poy antilaloysan gia wra oi xaradres. Oi episkeptes xeirokrotoysan ki ekei paizotan ena idiorry8mo 8eatro, poy kamia 8eatrikh istoria den to 'xei katagracei. Sklhro, ameso, proklhtiko, paralogo, soyrealistiko -ka8e eidos xwrista ki ola mazi, s' ena paranoiko klima, poy edene h8opoioys kai 8eates se mystikh synennohsh. Oloi h3eran to ergo poy paizotan ki oloi kanane pws den to 3eroyn. Sto telos bebaia xwrizan oi dromoi. Oi kratoymenoi na pane na spasoyn petra sta kryfa ntamaria ki oi kalesmenoi 8eates na gyrisoyn spitia toys kai na 3exasoyn thn parastash. Anamesa toys: epi8ewrhtes toy Ery8roy Stayroy, 3enoi presbeytes, dhmosiografoi ki alloi epilektoi parathrhtes ths pagkosmias koinhs gnwmhs. 8ymamai kai thn Marika Kotopoylh, sthmenh, na apaggellei me tremamenh fwnh epilegmena logia apo tragwdia, kapoia ekklhsh ths patridas sta paidia ths, gia th xara na skotw8eis sth maxh... Apo th mia meria o arxaios logos, o dekapentasyllabos, to deos... Apo thn allh h terastia skoyra maza, tesseris xiliades siwphloi andres, tyligmenoi se lerwmenes xlaines. Na h pagida oloka8arh... Apo th mia h megalh, bebaia, Kotopoylh kai oi «f8armenes» le3eis: patrida, xreos, Ellhnes, hxhsane bareies sa xtyphmata kampanas sta aytia mas, ki apo thn allh o fantaros dipla moy, poy gia na glytwsei apo aytoys toys hxoys, xtypoyse th dikh toy kampana «Ai sixtir kariola...». Dyo kosmoi, dyo dikia, dyo texnikes -an 8eleis, mia poy milame gia 8eatro... To 8eatro, poy einai dynamh, to'xan aytoi sta xeria toys... Opws se mas, se mena egine to ergaleio ths ekdikhshs moy... Kai efyga ton Marth toy '52 toso ypoptos gia to E8nos oso hmoyna ki otan mphka... Tria xronia ston 3erobraxo moy ma8ane ena swro pramata, ma thn Patrida, ayth, den me kanane na thn proskynhsw.

8.L. Kai h zwgrafikh; Erxetai otan stamatoyn oi fwnes;

N.K. Oi fwnes 3e8wriazoyn, den stamatoyn... H zwgrafikh kata kairoys epanerxetai... kai ginomai zwgrafos pali... Sth xoynta, gia paradeigma, bre8hka, opws 3ereis, sto Parisi, se mia sofita kai 3anasmi3a m' aythn moy thn agaph. Zwgrafiza me mia pisth pia, mia pisth, as poyme kalogeristikh, enan askhtismo... Alla pisteyw pws den mporei na eisai erasitexnhs zwgrafos -egw hmoyn kai eimai erasitexnhs. Den mporw kan na pw oti exw moirastei anamesa sth zwgrafikh kai ston kinhmatografo, h sto 8eatro. O kinhmatografos me katakthse, giati einai ena eidos 8riambeytikhs zwgrafikhs -se kinhsh, mallon...

8.L. Kamia fora to na mhn ais8anesai, h na leitoyrgeis san epaggelmatias, einai proson. Oi Galloi exoyn mia wraia le3h amateur...

N.K. Na soy pw kati... Den h8ela na ginw tipote etsi, h tipote alliws. Gi' ayto lew twra, saranta xronia zwhs ston kinhmatografo, egw epaggelmatia den 8ewrw ton eayto moy..., oti exei epaggelma ton kinhmatografo. Den mporesa na 3ekollhsw apo keinh thn adynamia poy exw, -mallon emmonh idea-, oti eimai meros mias koinwnias, enos synoloy. Den 8elhsa na apospas8w pote, na ginw enas! Eimai bebaia enas mesa stoys oloys. Par' ola ayta, eite 8elw eite de 8elw, o kinhmatografos moy einai o kinhmatografos toy Koyndoyroy. Den einai kanenos alloy. Exei thn sfragida twn adynamiwn moy kai twn oswn aretwn exw. Alla h8ela na kanw mia texnh gia oloys, mia texnh h opoia, oytws h allws, den einai toy enos. H texnikh toy kinhmatografoy epiballei synergasies. Loipon, einai mia texnh apo an8rwpoys gia an8rwpoys. Den einai apo an8rwpo se an8rwpoys. Ayto einai... Panta anamesa se tapeinosynh kai se filareskeia kinh8hka mia zwh olakerh... Ws pros ton kinhmatografo, bebaia, den niw8w amateur... Saranta xronia einai ayta. Den eimai epaggelmatias, me thn ennoia toy an8rwpoy o opoios exei mia ta3h kai paragei ena ergo takto. Egw den paragw tipote. Otan exw to 8eio kinhtro, 3ekinaw, ormaw, ki opws eimai kai toy pa8oys, pernaw me pa8os dyo, tria, h tessera xronia se mia tainia. Skeptomai poly, doyleyw poly, eimai perfeksionistas, 8elw na einai teleio o,ti ginetai, 8elw na ekfrasw, to 'pa kai prin, enan kosmo oloklhro, oxi thn afentia moy, 8a 'tan poly eykolo na dwsw thn tapeinotath afentia moy, alla de 8elw... Gi' ayto, kamia fora, blepw nea paidia poy lene «kanw kinhmatografo gia na ekfrastw»... Ti na ekfrasteis, re kwlopaido; Allos kanei kinhmatografo gia toys filoys toy... Allos gia thn mama toy. Koyta pramata kai mataiodo3a... Apo thn allh meria, eimai pragmatika toso distaktikos, den 3erw ti shmainei ayth thn wra, pantws blepw ton amerikaniko kinhmatografo, kai exw enan 8aymasmo gi' aytoys poy kanoyn orismenes foberes tainies. Mia terastia texnikh kai pisw apo aythn enas dynamismos, mia ekfrastikothta. Ti na pei kaneis gia ton Spilmpergk, gia ola ayta ta 8hria, poy ka8esai apenanti, san paidi, kai xazeyeis... 3exwrizeis ton dynamismo mias ratsas, poy einai nea kai exei ta mesa na ekfrasei ta panta. 8a moy peis, to ypopto edw einai ayto «ta panta»... alla poy einai, omws, o eyrwpaikos kinhmatografos ths prohgoymenhs eikosaetias, poy einai oi spoydaioi, poy einai o Fellini, o Mpergkman, o Biskonti, poy einai o Gkontar, poy xa8hkan ayta ta omorfa proswpa, poy dhmioyrghsan to '60 kai '70, poy einai oi Germanoi...

8.L. 8eleis na peis, poioi toys ypokatasthsan, poioi phran th 8esh toys... Ayto bebaia isxyei, h to ais8anomaste genikwtera. Kai einai krima... Gi' ayto xrhsimopoioyme syxna, ta teleytaia xronia, thn ekfrash «ginomaste ftwxoteroi», wspoy thn katantoyme kai aythn anypofora oikeia... Pes moy, wstoso, gia ton Koystoyritsa, gia to teleytaio toy, to Underground.

N.K. O 8aymasmos poy exw gi'ayton, arxizei apo to «K», apo to arxiko toy onomatos toy... Einai mia apo tis e3aireseis. Aytos exei enan oistro daimonismeno, einai kabala ston Phgaso kai trexei, kai stis prohgoymenes tainies toy. Einai yperbatiko atomo aytos, o,ti ki an kanei. Akoyw apo merikoys oti epanalambanetai, oti einai enas «poltos» h tainia toy, oti... ti 8elei na mas pei aytos... o anaidhs. Kai se pianei trela. Ka8e eikona toy, ka8e deyterolepto, ka8e sxhma toy kai figoyra an8rwpoy, einai enas sparagmos.

8.L. Xairomai poy to akoyw ayta apo sena. Oi perissoteroi, blepeis, apofeygoyme thn antipara8esh, thn sygkrish, h na milame me paradeigmata kai onomata. Kai etsi, kata kapoion tropo, apostrefoyme to proswpo mas apo thn Alh8eia... O Koystoyritsa exei mia, kalws ennooymenh, trela, kai dinei «skampilia» de3ia kai aristera. To mhnyma toy den bgainei mono mesa apo ta eyrhmatika toy symbola-ergaleia, h gynaika, as poyme, poy nomizw einai h xwra toy, h Gioygkoslabia, alla se ka8e mia apo tis pantodynames eikones toy, poy ka8hlwnoyn kai epibebaiwnoyn thn eyais8hsia kai th gkama toy...

N.K. Ma den einai mia aplh eyais8hsia. Prokeitai gia enan daimona... Den krinetai. Einai la8os -den epitrepetai na krineis mia megalofyia, giati sthn pragmatikothta krinesai esy, kai trws ta moytra soy. Den mporeis na deis ka8e periptwsh me metra ka8hmerina, h mias mikrocyxhs agwghs...

8.L. Ekanes prohgoymenws mia ny3h gia to arxiko «K», poy me phge pisw, sth dekaetia toy '60, tote poy sas eixan xarakthrisei «ta tria xrysa K toy kinhmatografoy mas», ton M. Kakogiannh, ton T. Kanellopoylo kai sena. O Takhs xa8hke pia, ki ayth thn stigmh ton 8ymamai me pollh sygkinhsh... Kai einai krima, poy olh ayth h eyais8hsia kai to talento efygan prowra kai edyse kapws xlwma, sthn karekla toy kafeneioy toy. Isws, an eixe, apo palia, th 8elhsh h th dynatothta na feygei, na ta3idecei de3ia ki aristera, ayto na ton sthrize perissotero kai sth zwh kai sto ergo toy. Giati pisteyw pws h Texnh, idiaitera toy skhno8eth, poy sthnei mprosta mas thn idia th zwh, boh8ietai me ta ta3idia, ta pollapla biwmata, th diarkh epimi3ia me ton kosmo. An ayto poy lew isxyei, ara kai leitoyrghse afairetika sto ergo toy Kanellopoyloy, tote 8a mporoysame na poyme oti ayto poy prolabe na mas dwsei einai ena, mikro mono, deigma toy ti ekrybe h «fylakise» mesa toy...

N.K. 8a moy epitreceis na symplhrwsw, h na fwtisw kapoio shmeio. O Takhs den htan «aragmenos» s' ena kafeneio. O Takhs htane ta3idiwths. Ka8ismenos sthn karekla toy ta3ideye se omixles mesa, se dash Makedonitika, ta3ideye se dromoys ygroys, ta3ideye sthn paralia, stis siwpes, sto kyma poy espage sthn prokymaia... htan enas lyrikos ta3idiwths, enas poihths toy ta3idioy, an kai ka8hlwmenos. Ena proswpo shmadiako. Edw tairiazei, to skef8hka ki allh fora, ekeinos o foberos titlos toy Xronh, toy Misioy «Kala, esy efyges nwris...». Aytos htan o Takhs, efyge nwris. Kala, efyge nwris. Kala poy efyge nwris...

8.L. Giati to les ayto, Niko... Mas «bghke» apoce, symptwmatika men, alla me agaph kai nostalgia, ena mnhmosyno gia ton Takh, meres poy einai, pali, me to Festibal sth 8essalonikh, alla giati tonises toso pikra to «kala».... Ti einai ayto poy se «fobizei» kai se plhgwnei perissotero shmera ston xwro, ston topo mas genikwtera;

N.K. Akoyse, h Ellada zei mia katrakyla... Pro oligoy, eipes kai sy «poioi einai, poioi hr8an sth 8esh aytwn poy fygane...». Twra, de 8elw na moirologhsw, alla eilikrina, an kaloskef8ei kaneis to poioi einai sth 8esh aytwn poy feygoyn, pa8ainei mia krampa sto stomaxi, matwnei. Ayth thn wra pernaei o topos mas, kai oxi mono, kai h Eyrwph, ki isws pio pera ki ap'aythn, ena eidos kataptwshs. Ta spoydaia pragmata moiazoyne na 'xoyne mpei sthn akrh, se anamonh, isws, keinhs ths eyloghmenhs wras poy 8a ta 3anakalesei. Alla twra, zoyme alh8ina kapoies stigmes eyteleias, se oloys toys tomeis. H politikh orizei kai thn h8ikh mias xwras. Kai einai ypopth h h8ikh poy orizetai apo thn politikh... Strecoy ligaki pisw, des me ta matia soy 3ana ti egine prin 50, prin 80 kai 100 xronia... 8a deis ton Kwleth, ton aderfo Kapodistria, ton Aygoystino, 8a deis eyteleies, 8a deis kompines, sakatemata, 8a deis ton Kolokotrwnh sth fylakh, ton Makrygiannh na pe8ainei sapismenos apo tis plhges toy... Dhladh, h Ellada kai h eyteleia, poreythkan ta teleytaia 150 xronia apo konta, dipla-dipla. Oi wres ths megalosynhs htan elaxistes. An tis metrhseis, 8a deis poso liges htane. Kai twra pia, kataferame na eytelisoyme ta panta... Oloi mas zoyme enan kathforo. Den einai, loipon, h Ellada poy 8elame, poy oneireythkame... alla pote 8a einai ayth h Ellada! Egw, 8ymamai, olh moy th zwh, na oneireyomai thn Ellada, na oneireyomai ennow thn Patrida, poy 8a thn sebastw... Den sebomai tipote, sto logo ths timhs moy. Me ayth thn ennoia, den sebomai tipote apolytws s' ayton ton topo. To ka8e prama, to ka8e gegonos, h ka8e dhlwsh, h ka8e eikona apo thn thleorash, pernaei apo mia diergasia dyspistias, kai o 8eos ki h cyxh mas, ti glytwnei apo ayto to filtro. Elaxista pragmata pernane apo thn allh meria...

8.L. An 8eloyme na ta doyme ola ayta pali, mesa apo thn ekfrash ston kinhmatografo mas... Palia bgainane kati tainies, kai de 8elw twra na... eyloghsw esena, apo ta prwta soy akoma, ton a3eperasto «Drako», alla na 8ymh8oyme Tzabella, Sakellario, Logo8etidh kai loipoys, poy gyrnoysan mia aplh-alh8inh istoria, etsi, se ena sxedon dwmatio, me ta elaxista tote texnika mesa, kai ebgaine ena apotelesma ekplhktiko, mia amesothta poy, akoma kai twra, meta apo 40 xronia, se ka8hlwnei sthn karekla. 8ymamai pali to «Enas hrws me pantoyfles». Einai olh h pikrh istoria ths sygxronhs Elladas. Sthnetai o andriantas toy synta3ioyxoy strathgoy, oxi gia na ton timhsei h «Patrida», alla gia na paroyn tis mizes kai tis promh8eies toys oi epithdeioi. Kai kobetai... to fws (kyriole3ia kai metafora) kai soy' rxontai ta dakrya sta matia gia thn katantia mas.

N.K. 8emh moy, ayto akribws poy les... Yphrxe mia a8wothta, poy xa8hke, kai twra agwnioyme na thn ypokatasthsoyme me magkies, me e3ypnades, me efeyrhmata, me pyrotexnhmata. H a8wothta ayth, poy den htan dikia soy h dikia moy, alla htan oloklhroy toy xwroy. Aytos o kinhmatografos, o prwtogonos sxedon, poy htan ekfrasths enos laoy ba8ytata a8woy mesa sto egklhma, sto opoio h istoria ton anagkase na kylistei, mes ston emfylio polemo, mesa ston sparagmo kai sth ftwxeia. Ayth h a8wothta, loipon, einai poy sygkinei. Poy'n'thn twra; Twra yparxei o e3ypnadismos. Einai e3ypnakhdes oi perissoteroi poy kanoyn kinhmatografo. H den einai e3ypnakhdes oi perissoteroi dhmosiografoi, oi an8rwpoi poy exoyn mikrofwno h e3oysia sta xeria toys; O e3ypnakias «poylaei» shmera, gia na metaxeiris8w mian ekfrash ths piatsas, ths agoras. O e3ypnakias epizei aythn thn wra kai epizei fantaxtera.

8.L. S' akoyw na ta les ayta, kai kala kaneis, kai lew makari na tolmoysan perissoteroi na lene to kako me t' onoma toy, na to «3orkisoyne», na sxisei epiteloys h plhgh kai na fygei olo ayto to pyo...

N.K. Oi an8rwpoi allhlokataggelontai kai les: h filosofia san ergaleio, san me8odos, poy paei twra; Kata kairoys akoyme kati «yperoxes» e3ypnades, kati dogmatikes skeceis gia ton sygxrono an8rwpo, thn sygxronh skech kai thn koinwnia, kai lew: kala, ola ayta moiazoyne poly syggenika me o,ti eipw8hke apo palia, alla den einai pia anatreptika, oyte exoyn kamia pi8anothta na anatrecoyn, oyte h filosofia mporei na anatrecei, oyte h Texnh. Shmera, dystyxws, mono oi politikoi mporoyne na anatrecoyn. Giati h an8rwpothta oloklhrh einai paradomenh stis diergasies, ti na pw... triakosiwn, pentakosiwn, xiliwn, deka xiliadwn atomwn se olo ton kosmo. Aytoi orizoyn thn moira mas. Oyte emeis san an8rwpoi, as poyme pneymatikoi, poy epe3ergazontai texnes, paizoyme megalo rolo. Akoyme pote-pote kai th barygdoyph frash ek stomatos politikwn, panta, oti o politismos einai h amyna ths xwras... To pisteyw. Bebaiws einai. Alla milame panta gia amyna... Emeis epi8etikoi den mporoyme na eimaste, do3a tw 8ew, kai 8a 8elame na eimaste, bebaiws. Den mporei na kanei epi8etikes diergasies h Texnh, h ermh, estw ki an eisai akraios, an noiw8eis anatropeas... Poios soy dinei shmasia, telos pantwn, h Texnh egine shmantikh gia na yparxei, aplws na yparxei. Giati, fantasoy enan kosmo xwris Texnh, xwris biblia, xwris moysikh, xwris... 8a htane mia dystyxia sketh. Kai poy 3ereis; Mporei se 50 xronia na ginei ki ayto. Akoyw, sthn Iapwnia, as poyme, oti arxizei na nekrwnetai, me afantastoys ry8moys taxythtas nekrwnetai o dianooymenos Giapwnezos, kai ypoka8istatai me ton computer, me to spastiko marionetaki Giapwnezo, ton paragwgo-granazi se mia teratwdh mhxanh. Blepeis omws, h Iapwnia 8ewreitai to protypo toy ayrianoy kosmoy, kai tromazw...

8.L. Ti blepeis, wstoso, mesa apo ayta... Yparxei elpida, kapoio fws;

N.K. Na soy pw kati: thn idia erwthsh 8a mporoyses na moy thn eixes kanei prin 10 xronia, prin apo 80 h prin apo 120 xronia. Thn idia erwthsh akribws. Kai 8a 'tan e3' isoy kala topo8ethmenh, kai h apanthsh, mh nomizeis pws 8a diaferei. 8a soy dwsw thn idia apanthsh poy 8a soy edina kai to 1860... Oti o Ellhnas einai enas laos sfrighlos, oti 8a epibiwsei, oti ka8e ayrio 8a 'nai kai ligaki kalytero, oti 8a trwme, toylaxisto, kai 8a epizoyme me megalyterh eykolia ap' o,ti oi pappoydes mas, oti 8a pa8ainame xolhsterinh kai kardiaka noshmata, giati h kalozwia kai h elleich kinhshs mas katadikazei se diafora emfragmata... Ayta ta pragmata 8a soy 'lega. Apo 'kei kai pera, o ka8e enas apo mas, oso ki an dhlwnei pws einai melos enos eyryteroy synoloy, par' ola ayta, ayto poy mas noiazei eimaste emeis... Bgazeis ena spyri, 3erw gw ti... kai les: A, to spyri moy, kai h egnoia gia to spyri, kai 3afnika xanetai h oikoymenikothta toy myaloy soy kai ta panta soy, kai menei to «spyri», egnoia gia to spyri... Giati bghke ayto to spyri, ti einai to spyri -einai kakoh8es to spyri, na pas s' enan giatro gia to spyri, kai f8anei ayto to spyri na se kataklyzei oloklhro, kai tote blepeis oti o an8rwpos einai mikroylhs, einai ayto poy einai, kai mikros kai megas mazi...

Epistrofh sthn prohgoymenh selida..

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